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Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures.


By DanB, Section Wind
Posted on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 09:30:01 PM MST
Last couple weeks.  Wind turbine repairs, wind turbine failures and other fun stuff.

It's been a few weeks since I posted about our activities...
Lots of stators got made and there are a couple in the mold now.

Scotty came up to build a new stator for his 'mini petter' diesel.  the old one works still, but he wants more efficiency - wants to be able to run the engine more slowly and doesnt need the 120VAC coils that we put in the first one.  This one has 8 coils, each wound with 3 strands of #15 gage wire and 35 turns each.  Each coil will be separately rectified.  My guess is it will work very well and be very efficient - he may need to open the airgap so it doesn't overpower the engine too badly.

Last couple days we've been having gusts around 90 mph (national weather service says up to  95).  TomH left his wind turbine on and the tower failed yesterday in the morning.  Actually - we had anchored his short 30' tower to a rock, with rebar that was epoxied into a hole in the rock.  To that we welded a link of chain to fasten the guy wires.  The chain link broke - the tower came down. It missed his solar panels by inches.  The blades got turned into mulch....  the alternator/tail seem to be fine.

Like I said - the tower missed his panels by inches....

One of my last postings here was about the spotted owl hitting the blades on my 20' wind turbine - and I've never posted about that incident since.  Actually (what really happened)   - the blades deflected (probably on a very fast yaw in very high winds) over 16" and one struck the tower.  We never really did run the machine for long with the 'duct tape' fix (about 1 hour just for fun) - but Scotty found most of the missing parts and repaired the blade.  Pictured above is one of the repairs.

Another picture of the same blade after repairs.

Like I said - he found most of the pieces.  Pictured above is another interesting splice.  At any rate - the machine was down for about 1 week over that mishap.  Now I'm more careful with it.  Some of you recall that we had issues with it last March and decided to open the airgap slightly (to keep the magnets out of the stator).  This caused the machine to really perform well I think ( a bit too well actually ).  It runs a fair bit faster and makes lots more power in high winds.  This season the record output has been 8.5 kW - it's very quick in higher winds to make a steady 5kw.  With the origional airgap it was fairly hard pressed to produce over 3kW.  Im inclined to raise the tower a bit and get more blade clearance (the blade struck a guy wire mount).  I may also cut down the blades slightly - or..  close the airgap - or - install higher grade magnets to prevent this (or try).  As it is now - its working well, but I am being careful on windy days/shutting it down often.

Don came up to build a wind turbine.  He'd been given an old one we made (one of the first volvo strut things) and I told him hed be better off to knock the magnets off those rotors and use them in one of our newer designs.  So he did... at this point hes got his stator done, magnet rotors cast and most of the metal work done.

Shawn (who came up /built a 17' turbine last year) is getting close.  Pictured above George is helping Shawn built the top stub for his tower.  We use 3" pipe for that... and the yaw bearing is made from 4" pipe.  I've never found a really good fit between pipe sizes this large so we weld 1/4" thick (1" wide) bar stock to the pipe, heat it up to about yellow and hammer it so it fits tightly to the smaller pipe and makes an OK bushing for the yaw bearing.

TomW (different Tom W than most of you are used to but surprisingly similar in appearance) came up to build a 20' turbine identical to mine (his has higher grade magnets in it).  He's got his magnet rotors and his stator done so far and a bit of a start on the metal work.

One of Toms magnet rotors with all the magnets cast.  Notice the magnets are numbered (you have to look closely) - there are 20 magnets... 20 numbers.

People have spent hours so far (its been at least 3 weeks since the magnet rotors are done) playing 'bottle cap darts'.  (its an approximately $600 dart board) It's really quite fun - the magnet rotor is numbered exactly like a dart board - you have to toss bottle caps at the magnets and call your shots.  Just like darts...  there is a minimum bet (1 nickel).  Gobs of fun....  (patent pending)

Scotty's hydro plant quit working well - two phases died.  It runs a very wide airgap but the stator was not centered (it was too close to the back rotor) and the bearing got loose.  It wore well into a couple coils and cut through the wires on one.  He actually managed to find the break in the wires and repair it with a splice!

I got to thinking about previous discussions here and the possibility of a galvanic reaction between Nickel plated magnets and steel rotors.  If there is a reaction (which there is) the steel should really be the victim of most of the corrosion - but I wonder if the Nickel doesn't slowly corrode as well (dont know - I have never had a problem with magnets rusting yet).  Pictured above is a .5 Volt battery...  I expect it could be optimized to produce quite a bit more though.  Each steel disk has a bit of rag soaked in a very weak saltwater solution and each such cell produced .2V.  When I stacked them though I only got an average of .1 V per cell (my guess is the point at which I stacked them also acted like a battery - just lower voltage and reverse current.  At any rate though - there is definitely some galvanic stuff going on between steel and Nickel, I don't know how much of an issue it might be in a humid climate.

Other news... My 17' turbine had an interesting failure...  I've not been very attentive about unwinding the cord down the tower and it finally twisted up so tight that it shorted out/sheared off - and the line fell down the tower.

That's most of excitement in the last 3 weeks or so anyhow!

Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by tecker on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 04:43:19 PM MST
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There's a major amount of work being done on your mountain . Real time  real data  .Push it .I Am glad you found a Tom W clone I knew there were some out there .Somehow I know the original is in the house .



Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Old F on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 06:32:35 PM MST
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An just when you tought you had the mold broke : )

OldF

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Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by tecker on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 04:12:55 AM MST
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Good move on the single coil stator .Should be a good mod and if the geometry is right could be jumpered for three phase as well.  

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Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by imsmooth on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 05:58:31 PM MST
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Nice post. I have a question about one of your comments and I've seen this before: by opening the gap you are getting more power. The closer the gap the stronger the magnetic field and for the same RPM you will get more voltage. So, if you get a strong enough wind you should get more power with a tighter gap, right? Is it that for the "average" winds you get more RPM and more power if the gap is wider and the rotor can turn more easily, and therefore faster?
Jonathan


Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Flux on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 10:32:13 AM MST
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This is all very confusing to newcomers.

Closing the gap will indeed give you more volts but volts are confusing. Power out depends on more things than voltage.

This has been covered so many times that I am reluctant to go into detail again here, but the problem lies with the matching of the blades and the fact that bringing the alternator in at too low a speed stalls the prop and pulls you below the peak of its power curve.

Look at posts on stall and see if you can find a diary entry I did about matching the load. That cover the whole issue of matching.

You can't look at the alternator in isolation and get a true picture. Ultimately it is the power in the wind that decides what you get out. The more efficient you make the alternator the bigger the matching problem.

Flux

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Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Gary D on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 11:00:30 AM MST
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This is the diary Flux wrote some time back...
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/3/17/185646/194

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Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Old F on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 06:38:10 PM MST
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Hay Dan in the top pix is that a steam or hot air
eng Here is one i built some tim a go



OldF



Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 07:00:27 PM MST
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Neat looking engine you made there OldF...
The one in the top pic is a '1 horsepower Mike Brown Steam Engine'.  I plan to use it to run a makeup feedwater pump for my boiler/larger engine.

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Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Tue Dec 4th, 2007 at 07:30:09 PM MST
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Dan, good to see you guys are up to your usual fun activities.  Scotties woodwork is a beautiful.  The splices looke like some kind of contemporary art pattern.  Based on the pricing of the board, I think you may have a problem moving large quantities of the new dart game board though.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'


Re: Early Dec - catching up on recent adventures. (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by jmk on Wed Dec 5th, 2007 at 09:16:42 AM MST
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 The dart board made me laugh. I can imagine how fun it is. I bet you could even snap the caps at the board with your middle finger and thumb. You should put a piece of plexy glass in front of it so the magnets don't get scratched.
 We will have to start calling Scott, Scotty Factory! His cuts and splices look like they where done by a factory. That's what we call the great carpenters when they make good cuts with hand tools. I am impressed with his work!
jmk


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