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amperemeter


By Stonebrain, Section Controls
Posted on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 02:23:58 PM MST
can I make voltmeter from a amperemeter

Hi,

An ampere meter is a voltmeter with a shunt if I have it right.
So,if I buy an amperemeter and take out the shunt I have a voltmeter?
Just verifying before buying.

And (only if my supposition is right)
What ranges can I expect for the voltmeter if the amperemeter has ranges
from 10mA to 5A?

Thanks,

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Flux on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 08:38:43 AM MST
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Sort of.

Not a sensible thing to do unless you have all the details, at best it will be a millivoltmeter and you will need multipliers.

If you pick the wrong beast such as a moving iron you would come badly unstuck.

For measuring volts buy a voltmeter. If you have a millivoltmeter you can measure current with a shunt, don't push your luck.
Flux



Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Stonebrain on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 09:21:48 AM MST
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Well,
I don't mind people thinking I'm joking.
And ifever I am,I will never admit it.lol

I thought this one looked cool


Then,for my anemometer,I have to make a 'generator'(floppydiskmotor?) with
the same voltrange as the voltmeter available but maybe this amperemeter would be a bad choice,but on the other hand,it's easier to generate a milivolts than a volt.makes
my anemometer-generator cheaper.

Is this really so stupid,that it looks like a 1 april joke?

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Flux on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 09:38:32 AM MST
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Can't see the picture very well but it looks to be moving iron, it seems to measure ac and dc and has a non linear scale.

It looks as though it is based on a 10mA moving iron movement, it will be a poor voltmeter and the non linear scale may not hold as a voltmeter, as an anemometer it would be pretty useless. It will probably be too big a load for your generator and the non linear scale would be very confusing.

flux

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by TomW on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 09:41:26 AM MST
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Well, it is a somewhat odd thought to take that and make it into a voltmeter.

Thats just me tho because I love that old gear. I think you would be better served by purchasing a cheap $5 "farm store" meter or send me that ammeter and I will send you a volt ohm meter that will read ac or dc voltage as well as resistance.

You probably could construct a voltage divider network as an input to that meter as it is to read voltage but, again, I would not.

Everything is somewhat suspect on April first. Here it is called "April Fools Day" and a day for pranksters and jokesters to pull zingers on folks.

Serious about the trade, tho.

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Stonebrain on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 10:40:52 AM MST
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I have to bid in 1 hour.
So do your bid right now,or were you joking?

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Stonebrain on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 10:55:25 AM MST
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Well I think I can have it for 15 euros.I'll send it and you pay 15 euro +
the shipping cost.
An amperemeter from paris,isn't that chique?

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Stonebrain on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 11:18:33 AM MST
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http://cgi.ebay.fr/Amperemetre-ancien-PEKLY-bakelite-cadre-bois-5-calibre_W0QQitemZ260100026976QQcat egoryZ23881QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by TomW on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:11:26 PM MST
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I think I have to pass. Transatlantic shipment be a killer and I just offered a trade. Kind of thought you already had it in hand. Also didn't realize you were in Europe...

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Stonebrain on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 02:27:48 PM MST
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Tom,

I knew you were not serious,
but that's ok on april fools day,

cheers,
stonebrain

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by Opera House on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:41:15 PM MST
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Where are you when I am selling my old stuff on ebay?  I'm actually fond of the Dr. Frankenstein look, I have a large slate plate with exposed knife switches.  The optics of a project are everything.  Theoretically, you would need a 100 ohm resistor for every volt to get a full scale reading. The final resistance would need to be 10 to 40 ohms less to compensate for meter resistance.  Problem is that you only have have a 5 and 10 based scale.  12V is too much for a 10V scale and down in the mud on the 50V scale.  

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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by TomW on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:49:31 PM MST
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House;

Frankenstein look, I like that. Do you keep a Jacobs ladder hissing in the background, too?

I find it very difficult to find knife switches these days. They used to be common and I tossed dozens over the years upgrading systems for folks. Now I wish I had kept them.

Too old too soon too smart too late.

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 08:52:42 AM MST
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Stonebrain that would be a Fluke if it worked.Kidding ya



Re: amperemeter (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Nando (nando37-at-tx-dot-rr-dot-com Correct theanti-spam) on Sun Apr 1st, 2007 at 09:17:39 AM MST
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YES, SORT OF !!!

Though, if you get one with a shunt and a Darsnoval movement it is possible,

A good current meter, with a low value shunt, may have a 1 milliamp meter.

I have done that many times by just adding a switch (DPDT) = Double Pole Double Throw, and adding the necessary resistance for the voltage reading which most of the time is 1 Kilohm per volt of display, less the internal resistance of the meter for the first 1 volt reading.
Vane type current meters DO have a high internal current which make them BAD for voltage reading, though in some cases, the say arrangement with the caveat of about 10 to 50 milliamps meter, so in those cases I have used a momentary switch to make sure that the switch is returned to its original setting of current meter position.

Some vane meters are very high current, equal to the current peak reading capability, so not possible to convert to a voltmeter.
Some, like in the cars or automobiles, have a thermal movement, this to avoid the car vibrations.

Nando



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