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joining mags


By rpcancun, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:31:25 AM MST
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can mags be joined?

Example: 2x2x.5 mags join 2 to make 2x4x.5

Thx

joining mags | 9 comments (9 topical)

Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Flux on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:49:16 AM MST

Not joined in the strict sense, but they can be mounted side by side to do what you want.

There is a strong repulsive force between them and with magnets that size you will need strong glue and you will have a fight to hold them until it sets.  If they are on a steel backing it will be easier as the attraction force to the steel will reduce the effect of repulsion.  Watch your fingers, if one flips you will know about it.

Flux



Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by rpcancun on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 01:00:06 AM MST

Thx Flux

another q for ya,...im winding with 16gauge 180 turns to achieve 1 inch of width with 1/2 thickness, with that width i will get 2 inches between 2 coils so the mag (2x2x.5) will cover both coil legs. I have read about burning stators can it be fixed just by using thicker wire?

Thx

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Flux on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 01:17:35 AM MST

RP "If it works,....dont' fix it."

I am fairly sure it is broke, but I don't understand the question and without much more details I can't help.

180 turns of 16 gauge? Are you going for the megavolt.

Sounds like you are going for something big, it would need to very high voltage to use 16gauge.

Flux

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by rpcancun on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 10:32:20 PM MST

ok...one more time flux.

mags 2x2x.5

coil dimension

center or hole is 2 inches wide at the top, 1 inch wide at bottom
with 2 inch legs, coil width 1 inch, coil thickness or height 1/2 inch.

180 turns 16 gauge wire, is it possible the mags can overload that gauge of wire.?

goal is 9 coils 3 phase 12 mags per mag rotor.

thx

Rob

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by rpcancun on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 10:35:16 PM MST

my bad, coil leg width 1 inch...

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Flux on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 12:47:32 AM MST

Sorry we are still no better off. What will overload your wire is excessive current.

Without details of voltage and intended power I just can't form any idea of the current.

I think you are confused by something that has been stated here at times. Whatever you do to the coil or however badly you make it, you will not overload the wire without connecting it into a circuit. There has been comments about cancellation causing heat and I suspect this is what is bothering you. With large numbers of turns of thin wire you will be limited to a low current and to get decent power you will need to work on a very high voltage system. If it is for heating then it may be absolutely fine but I really have no idea what you are trying to do.

Flux

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by rpcancun on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:47:50 PM MST

Just trying to make my first genny, im going to use pitch control for rpm control,..(no furling),....I probably should have gone with heavier gauge wire for more amps, but high voltage will be cheaper to send from tower
to storage area im going to start with 9 coils 12 mags,...dunno what rpm yet gonna have to trial and error that one.....

So I guess my worry is when the genny is fully loaded chargin batt bank or whatever,...will the 16 gauge burn at a certain rpm...

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Flux on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 12:42:40 AM MST

Without battery voltage or prop size I am in the dark, but whatever you do that is going to be a slow winding. Unless you are looking at 120v batteries then I think you are going to be in trouble unless you set your pitch control to limit current in quite low winds.

To be tackling pitch control you must be good on the mechanical side of things, you seem to be struggling with the electrical side. It may be a good idea to give the information when you have decided what you are aiming for and let someone else look at it. I am not sure you are going in the right direction at present.

Flux

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Re: joining mags (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by dinges on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 09:50:58 AM MST

To get back to Flux's point; after a discussion in IRC on this issue I tried to do a quick test with 2 magnets, 20x20x10 mm N40. Putting them on a flat plate (8-10mm thick). Without an external force they'd sit at about 6 mm off eachother. Pressing them together (with just 2 fingers) I could get them up to 2-3 mm. No doubt, with the proper clamps (or using both hands) I could have gotten them to touch.

http://www.anotherpower.com/gallery/dinges?page=8

If you used the right glue (epoxy?) and allowed it to properly cure before removing the clamps, I think it could work.

Note that in my test, I used a flat backing plate for the magnets. On a curved surface it is much much harder to get the magnets close together without them toppling or moving.

Note also that those magnets were quite a bit smaller than your proposed ones. And yes, what Flux says: if one flips and smashes into the other with your finger in between, you'll scream like a piglet having its, ehm, you know, removed.

What you propose isn't my idea of fun, but could be doable, if you'd have/make the right fixtures.

Regards,



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