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Wind Generator Permit Denied


By wdyasq, Section Rants & Opinion
Posted on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 11:16:09 AM MST
Achtung!

Being green isn't easy in the 'burbs.

http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_145143711.html

It would be nice if there were more to the story. All of the versions I found looked like the 'stock' story. It also means the newspaper and editors are ignorant, possibly stupid, enough to not correct any obvious mistakes.

Ron

Wind Generator Permit Denied | 11 comments (11 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by willib (willibur at comcast dot net) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 07:10:54 AM MST
(User Info) http://www.njwind.com/webcam.html#

in the link you provided they made a reference to walmarts' windturbine in a nearby town in TX

i searched on google , for walmart and wind turbine , and under the image is a video with mona williams the walmart spokesperson ,
in the video is a picture of walmarts windturbine , this was back in november '05 i think ,,, and it wasnt going yet...
it was hard to tell how large the windmill was , but it wasnt 120' dia thats for sure , maybe they meant it was 120' tall , it looked to be about 30' dia.
i am not savvy enough to turn this large ass link into something more resonable like " click here" , but there were no pop ups on msnbc , surprizingly..

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051109/c_g reen_walmart_051109.vsmall.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9976034&h=111&w=14 8&sz=5&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=UVc3jQtXX_gxdM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=95&prev =/images%3Fq%3DWalMart%2B%2B120-foot%2Bturbine%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den
Carpe Ventum (seize the wind)



Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by willib (willibur at comcast dot net) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 07:23:17 AM MST
(User Info) http://www.njwind.com/webcam.html#

for anyone interested this is a link to just walmarts windturbine .
http://www.mswmanagement.com/images/de0511_44.jpg
Carpe Ventum (seize the wind)
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Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by shagy (shagy) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 03:37:56 PM MST
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take a look at the tracktor trail under the mill with a 53 foot trailer those trucks are between 60 and 70 feet long use the truck as a gage that tower is mutch more than 120 feet high and the blades do look about two truck leingth witch wood make it very close to 120 feet diameter

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Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by CmeBREW (smke833f@hotmail.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 07:35:40 AM MST
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Thanks Ron-
The majority are still SO ignorant. Wait a couple years when their electric bill (and heating) doubles and the food bill doubles and their house is being repo'ed, and they will change their ignorant tune. A good friend of mine recently heard from two big GE representatives (while they were proposing a giant windturbine project) that the fuel contracts of this country are about to end at the end of 2008. And they said that the price of all fuels and many other things like food could double in price. Does anyone know about this?? So it looks like very big bad changes are in the forecast.(not to mention global warming)  Perhaps in 4 or 5 years the laws will change concerning residential windturbines after there are riots.



Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by outback (dogs3-at-sitestar-dot- net) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 05:16:33 PM MST
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the people that say wind mills are an eyesore must not look up at cell towers! sorry Ron don't give up
You can lead a horse to water,but you cant make him eat the trough.


Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Old F on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 07:03:46 PM MST
(User Info) http://www.oldf.homestead.com

Ron

This is the part that got me .

Dorman also said it might be unfair to allow some people to have a technology that is not available to others who do not have the money or the yard space. So rather than grant variances to individual homeowners for windmills, he would like to see eco-minded neighborhoods designed from the ground up.

Does this mean I cant drive my new hybrid car that I scrimped and saved to buy  because All the people next door can afford  is a used car ?

Old F




Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 09:44:58 PM MST
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If you followed Dorman's logic to its conclusion, we would all have to be as bad off as the person in the worst situation on the planet.  It doesn't make much sense to me.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 09:38:17 PM MST
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I keep reading reports and studies projecting the dire consequences of global warming caused by greenhouse gas emissions such as:
http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2005/NR-05-11-01.html

Then I read about how fossil fuel consumption and emmissions keep rising from places like:  
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/carbondioxide.html

I think to myself that this is one of the many ways we are currently heading towards a catastrophe.

Then I read a story about how someone who is trying to do something about it, even if its small, gets blocked.  I believe that the U.S. as a nation needs to encourage micro-generation as a small part of a larger strategy to replace part of the energy usage currently coming from fossil fuels.  Reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S. is such a monumental task that many strategies will need to be implemented simultaneously to get significant results.  Some of these strategies may cause some inconvenience to some people.  My conclusion, however, is that it is becoming increasingly clear that if we don't change our current course, most people on the planet are going to be greatly inconvenienced in a generation or so.  

I recognize we need to balance the rights of neighbors, ect., but we need to allow on site generation as much as possible.  In order for it to actually happen, it will need to be simpler to implement than it currently is in most locations.  Perhaps something like standardized setbacks based upon tower height, and blade weight, and maximum noise allowed at the property line.  Standardized requirements and procedures for grid interconnection would help as well.  As for me, I live in an urban environment and will never have (and probably shouldn't have based on lot size and proximity to neighbors) anything more than tiny test turbines which contribute an insignificant amount compared to my consumption.  At least I can still have solar panels.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'



Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Phil Timmons (philiptimmons-at-yahoo-dot-com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 11:10:24 PM MST
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This story is making the rounds down here (North Texas) in the RE community, of course, as well.  mho, overall a bit of an old tale.  Everyone is more than used to this by now.  Many HOAs (Home Owner's Associations) do not even allow Solar collectors to be placed on roofs, or even on property, in the "nice" parts of town.

The folks behind the no-variance stuff are truly "not gifted."  The belief (fear based) is that any variance will cause the precious property values to drop, and since so much of their life savings are tied up in these silly "Prairie McMansions" it will some how harm them.  

A few years back the fire and insurance folks had to force HOA morons to stop requiring Cedar Shake roofing (aka fire kindling).  If one house had a minor fire, a whole neighbor was toast.  With regular shingles (now) it is rare that even a single house burns.  But gee, won't that hurt property values?  

Texas House and Senate have been working on a bill this session to over-write all HOAs to force them to allow solar.  But wind is a whole other story.

As far as this guy in Melissa, TX goes -- Anybody into wind down here really has to self-aware enough to figure out that they are somewhat a weirdo and head out of the suburbs -- nobody cares at all in the country side.  Or if you want to live in town you can at least do what we do -- live on some acreage in a post industrial area -- in our case, a couple of 50 year old converted warehouses zoned "Heavy Industrial Research" and nobody cares.  I can build and test solar, wind, and most any other thing we want.  I think the Social Workers (Mrs. Phil is one) call the situation "Fit in Environment."



Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Tritium on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 08:51:14 AM MST
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Dorman also said it might be unfair to allow some people to have a technology that is not available to others who do not have the money or the yard space.

Socialist propaganda.

Thurmond



Re: Wind Generator Permit Denied (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by sh123469 (sh123469 at yahoo dot com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 05:55:29 PM MST
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These "permit" people need to realize that you own, by fedferal law, airspace to an altitude of 400 ft.  This is private property and you are entitled under federal law and supreme court decision to full use and control of your property.

It is ILLEGAL for these people to interfere with your right to use your property as you see fit.  Since you own the airspace above your property, NOBODY is entitled to look through privileges.

It's time that these gov't idiots were shackled and hamstrung at every turn.  Our "government" needs to again serve and support the rights of the people as was intended at its founding.



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