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bsafe, Some answers for you.


By Jerry, Section Mechanical
Posted on Wed May 9th, 2007 at 04:59:56 AM MST
For you Sun May 6th post.

Sorry I didn't get right on it. Its been very busy here.

As per the GE ECM. My best thinking is to seperate the star conection, add a wire to each sperated wire. Now you have a wire connection for the start and end of each phase.

Now connect a full wave bridge rectifier to each phase, then perelell the bridges DC outputs.

The ECM in the stock 3 wire mode (star) works great at 24 volts, the above mode works great for the 12 volt mode. 3 bridges is much easyer than 18. NO Transformers!

You can get 6 wire 14ga. cable at the auto parts store. It looks like a black extension cord, its used for trailer light wire. This works good for 6 wires down to the ground for 3 rectifier bridges on the ground. It will handle any power the ECM will make.

AS per the Garbogen. I've actully been working on several upgrades. As per the wireing scheem. For 24 volt make no wireing changes. Use a fullwave bridge on the start windings, a fullwave bridge on the run windings then perelell the DC outputs of the bridges.

There again you could use the 6 wire trailer cable and place the bridges at the tower base. Just use 2 of the wires for the low amperage start windings then double up the other 4 for the high amperage run windings.

12 volt requiers some wireing mods. Make a brake in the sires connections between run coil 2 and 3.

Connect the start of run coil #1 with the start of run coil #3. Then do the same for the ends of coils #1 and #3.  Now you have the run windings conected sires/perelell. Connnect to the bridges, then repeat this for the start coils. And yes perelell the bridges DC outputs.

The solid steel armature produces about 10% more power then an AC  motor armature.

The original armature is not use, its to short for the magnets, the shaft is to short to connect a blade to and its not solid steel. Save it though its fun to use in GM car alt mods.

Yes 3" diameter matches the magnet and motor stator bore requierment but only 1.75" lingth, that matches the lingth of the NTL and the old #29S. If there was a shorter curved NEO to match the stator that would be fine also but I've never found one.

The Garbogen stator is only 1&3/8" long so the 1&3/4" magnet lingth iliminates front to rear cenetering problems. A littel extra magnet doesn't hurt.

As far as shaft diameter is concerned the thicker the better. I'm currently useing 3/4" diameter shafts and may make a 1" shaft expirementle? But I've used as small as 1/2"

I've made a # of diferant end caps. My current and I think the best is made from Choice deck, the composistion (plastic/wood) deck matierial. I just cut a round out with a router jig, then bore a propper size hole for the bearing. I add a spacer on the blade end and use 2 bearings on that end. I pop speaker magnet pole pieces apart and use the chassis end as a bearing retainer. Use shaft coulers to keep thing centered.

All this makes for a very rugged and realiable machine.

I lost my cammera, as soon as I get a replacement I'll try to get some pictures up of the new upgrades.

As far as blades. I've only flown the "Jerry Blades" on the Garbogen. However I hope to evaluate my Garbogen and Hughs 4ft genny both with my "Jerry Blades", PVC blades and a set of Hughs 4ft carved wood blades in my wind tunnel some time this sommer.

That will be an intresting report. Should be alot of pictures and test results.

That one will be a diary.

I think I've covered your questions? Please ask more if I've over looked something.

                        JK TAS Jerry

 

bsafe, Some answers for you. | 4 comments (4 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: PS? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Jerry on Tue May 8th, 2007 at 11:21:00 PM MST
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I usually knerl (SP) the shaft and weld the solid armature part to the shaft also.

I've never ballance this part but I think the low rpm and the small diameter negates any balancing problem here.

When ever I've spun these units up over a 1,000 rpm or higher in a laithe test they've all run real smooth.

As far as controllers I've never owned or built one. To me if theres extra power I just add extra batteries. I just like collecting power? Someone else can jump in on the control question here.

I've notice a problem with useing regular epoxi on the solid steel armature some of the time IT don't work? Magnets pop loose and slide together.

I've been trying Duramax. This stuff is used to glue metal to metal in the car body shop industry. It works very well.

                           JK TAS Jerry

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Re: PS? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Spdlmt150 (name@earthlink.net) on Wed May 9th, 2007 at 07:52:48 PM MST
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Maybe a little off subject, but the #29's that are used for the garbogen - NTL doesn't have any, and not sure when he will. Is there another source for them? I have a garbogen sitting here begging to do something productive.

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Re: PS? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Jerry on Wed May 9th, 2007 at 10:49:53 PM MST
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There was a guy from Canada. He even had some skewed #29s. I baught some from him a year or 2 back.

Might try a board Google search.

I just installed the new composition end cap with 2 bearings. It seems to reduce cogging somewhat. I know from expirience that bushing make cogging worse.

So it apears bearings are real important in reduceing cogging.

I think it has to do with rolling resistance. The Neos are trying to pull the armature to one side, this puts alot of rolling friction on the bearing. Add another bearing to share to load and it rolls easyer?

This end cap just went into a Garbogen that had a motor armature. The motor armatures have a littel less cogging but also have 10% less output then the solid steel armature. Now with the dual bearings the solid steel armature spins as free as the motor armature.

I havn't built a Garbogen with composition material for both end caps yet. I'll be doing that with the 3/4" shaft unit.

I've got some extra ideas comming for the 1" shaft unit with dual bearings both fron and rear end caps.

I've been installing the diode bridges inside the rear end cap, (stock aluminum).

Now I'll be using one of those littel bathtub shapped electrical junction boxes that have female pipe openings. I'll mount that right on the tail boom. They are aluminum and watter tight.

                          JK TAS Jerry

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offer to jerry (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by bsafe on Thu May 10th, 2007 at 08:11:32 PM MST
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http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/5/6/35312/44928


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