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Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes


By DamonHD, Section Storage
Posted on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 11:48:00 AM MST
Need some advice on whether this is safe/sensible...

Hi,

I have a fairly new 40Ah gel SLA (12V) at the moment, and was hoping to parallel it with (say) a 100Ah or 140Ah of the same construction and voltage etc (and from the same manufacturer).

My supplier says I shouldn't do it: is he right?

Rgds

Damon

Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by AbyssUnderground on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 06:06:55 AM MST
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Yes he is right in most respects. If you parallel them, you take more current from one battery than the other, correct? But when it comes to charging, you risk overcharging the smaller battery and undercharging the bigger one. It is best to keep both batteries seperate unless you have some sort of split charge system in place.

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Flux on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 06:40:41 AM MST
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Yes in theory he is correct.

In real life if you are sensible it will be ok. These things tend to share current in relation to their capacity. In this case I would advise you to connect the load and charging to the main battery and just link the small one in parallel with short leads.

As always you will get conflicting advice so you are no better off for asking the question.

Flux

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 07:06:05 AM MST
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Ah, no, I feel better already for the advice offered.

Yes, I think that the 'link the smaller battery' via short leads idea sounds reasonable to me.

After all, if the chemistry and construction is the same then other than getting voltages equalised before I connect everything up, why would I expect things to get too far out of whack?

Rgds

Damon

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by TomW on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 09:10:49 AM MST
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Damon;

I use a mixed bank that contains 8 Trojan 105 [220 AH 6 volt] and 4 SLA gel cells [115 AH 12 volt] in a 24 volt setup.

Probably not "ideal" but certainly works for me.

Bottom line, in my opinion, is that you use what you have / can afford. Best method is probably to buy all the same batteries at the same time. This is not always practical for most of us with limited financial resources.

In my case, I am careful not to "cook" the bank since I mixed types and capacities of batteries. When it was just the Trojans I did not worry about ramming a bit of over voltage into them because I could top those up on water, not so with the sealed units.

My biggest concern would be to be sure the 2 "sets" are at the same voltage so no current surges occur when you make the initial connection.

A huge draw or load could cause physical damage to the batteries.

An easy way to assure they are equal on voltage would be to connect the negative leads together then use something like an automotive tail light between the sets on the positive lead. This will limit the current to what the bulb uses. When the lamp stops glowing you know the batteries are at the same voltage and you can make your main connection safely.

Wear safety gear like glasses, gloves and old clothes and keep a jug of water on hand to flush any spills should you have a mishap. Or a friend ready with the hose to hose you and the area down should a spill arise.

Do not take battery safety lightly.

Good Luck.

Cheers.

TomW

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 09:56:01 AM MST
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Hi,

Thanks, good advice!

I'm pretty motivated by safety (old engineers vs bold engineers, etc)!

Rgds

Damon

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by AbyssUnderground on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:35:38 AM MST
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Surging isn't a problem. When it comes to jump starting your car, what do you do? You connect a good battery to a flat one. Lots of voltage difference there. When you connect it, yes you may get a spark, but the voltage quickly rises in the dead battery meaning the surge is so quick it wouldn't affect anything. You may get an initial surge of hundreds of amps but its so quick (milliseconds) its not a problem for decently sized cable. Seconds later is down to under 100A.

(Read this on a website by the way, and it gave some maths too but I don't remember it. I'll try and dig the site out and post the link here.)

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 01:25:31 PM MST
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Thanks!

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by TomW on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 01:51:43 PM MST
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Ok, more or less matched batteries and I agree.

However, how does your blanket statement apply to a guy with a dozen 200 AH batteries that are fully charged and he connects them to a single 100 AH battery that is discharged? Can you say catastrophic failure?

You really need to be careful making statements like this.

Only reason I am responding is someone could get hurt with this advice.

Cheers.

TomW

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Re: Paralleling (gel) SLAs of different Ah sizes (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by AbyssUnderground on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 03:22:04 PM MST
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The voltage would rise very quickly meaning the current going into it would be very low by the time the millisecond surge is over. So yes I believe it would apply and if I remember correctly there was a similar example on the website I heard this on (which I have still not yet found unfortunately)

And yes I agree the advice isn't all that great and that caution should always be taken.

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