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Anyone know the velocity of heat rising?


By Derek, Section Heat
Posted on Fri Sep 14th, 2007 at 09:42:42 PM MST
working on my solar heater, need to know this formula

I'm working on my solar heater for this winter.  Its a thermosiphoning system, hot air goes out the top and pulls more cold air into the bottom.  The velocity of heat rising out of the top is what I'm wanting to know.

The difference in temperature will probably be the biggest variable in that.  I've got 70 degrees going in, and 170+ degrees going out.  But at how many feet per second or minute does the heat rise out of this?

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Re: Anyone know the velocity of heat rising? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Nando (nando37-at-tx-dot-rr-dot-com Correct theanti-spam) on Fri Sep 14th, 2007 at 10:14:14 PM MST
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For 50 Celsius air, the velocity is around 0.15 m/s

Check these reports it may help you :
http://txspace.tamu.edu/bitstream/1969.1/5492/1/ESL-IC-06-11-32.pdf
http://www.sbse.org/awards/docs/Ghatti.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/davidmdelaney/thermal-cs/thermal-crawl-space-1.html

Nando



Re: Anyone know the velocity of heat rising? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by veewee77 on Fri Sep 14th, 2007 at 11:25:27 PM MST
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A lot will also depend on how large the intake and output ports are and whether there are restrictions (baffles to slow the air down to gather more heat) in the collector. Also the ducting between te panel and the heated space will have resistance to flow.

Doug



Re: Anyone know the velocity of heat rising? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by GaryGary (gary@BuildItSolar.com) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 05:20:14 PM MST
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Hi,
I get a typical 120fpm out of my thermosyphon collector for an about 60F typical temperature rise.
Its important thermosyphon collectors to make sure the airflow resistance is low.  This means good flow paths, good sized upper and lower vent openings, and (if you use a flow through absorber) a low resistance absorber.

About the only way you are going to get the airflow velocity and flow are to measure them.  You can calculate the pressure difference driving the flow using the stack equation, but the amount of flow depends both on this pressure difference, AND on how much air resistance you build into the collector -- in other words, two thermosyphon collectors with the same pressure difference driving them can have widely different flow rates depending on how good the flow paths are in each.

The velocity measuring gadgets are not too expensive, and handy for other things, so you might want to just buy one.  Here are some:
http://www.builditsolar.com/References/Measurements/measurments.htm
I have the Dwyer vane one and the Kestrel wind meter -- the both work well.  I actually like the $25 Dwyer one as long as the airflow you are measuring is flowing in a horizontal direction.  It works really well, and its cheap.  The Kestrel will only measure down to 80 or 90 fpm -- this should be OK for a good thermosyphon collector.

One common misconception on these collectors, is that a greater temperature difference from inlet to outlet means more heat output.  Usually a really large increase in temperature from inlet to outlet means that the airflow is too restricted -- this leads to high temps inside the collector and larger losses and lower efficiency.  Its the product of the (temperature rise)(airflow) that determines the heat output -- anything that increases this product is good.  "Airflow" above is (Air Velocity)*(Vent Area).  Your temperature rise is pretty high -- I think you might find that more airflow (less resistance) and less temperature rise would give you more heat output.
Here is a little blurb on measuring collector efficiency:
http://www.builditsolar.com/References/Measurements/CollectorPerformance.htm

The details on my thermosyphon collector:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/solar_barn_project.htm
Height about 7 ft,
Depth about 1/15 of the height
Absorber -- flow through, made with two layers of window screen
Vent area about equal to 1/2 the crossectional area of collector (more would be even better).
These groundrules are ones that Steve Baer developed many years ago after quite a bit of experimental work.

Gary
Gary gary@BuildItSolar.com www.BuildItSolar.com



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