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A mono pole magnetic structure? [Comments Locked]


By aimulti, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 12:05:21 PM MST
Theoretical permanent magnet construct that could result in a monopole magnetic condition.

NON TECHNICAL 'ABSTRACT' OF PROPOSED EXPERIMENT

THE PROBLEM. To create a structure that is a true monopole magnet. Clearly no such structure can be achieved by pole blocking or shunting as the true monopole magnet is a condition that exists within the mass of the magnetic material. Put simply, the magnetic boundary wall must be shifted from the center (in terms of material mass) plane of the magnetic material to one or other of the poles.

THE APPROACH. The following proposed structure does this in two stages. First by creating a geometry which isolates the two poles by self induced pole blocking in three dimensions and second by draining the flux from one side by zero resistance flux pinning.

BASIC PRINCIPALS & ASSUMPTIONS. Following the most fundamental principal of flux distribution emanating from a permanent magnet, namely that the flux will always maintain perfect spacial equilibrium where any asymmetry in the magnets shape is mirrored by the flux patterns geometry and increases in flux density (on on face or another) are compensated by an inverse spacial distribution on the opposing face. As flux is static or moves at the speed of light (which amount to the same thing in practical terms), equilibrium can only be maintained by spacial relativity of the lines of force.

Only a perfect balance of the two opposing forces, both spatially and in terms of density and gradient will result in their isolation. In reality some leakage must be expected.

In a rectangular bar magnet an internal line of flux can be viewed as an elastic band pinned at the boundary wall in the center of the magnet and twisted 90 degrees at both ends (poles) in opposing directions thus creating a twist of 180 degrees between the two poles. The flux then completes the circuit in free space performing a mirror of the twist at the secondary equilibrium point. Isolating the poles does not create a true monopole but simply a magnet where one pole is isolated from the other and the flux trapped in a magnetic bottle. It is useless in practical terms because any work attempted by the structure would upset the balance and result in leakage and failure of its monopole character..

The hypothesis of the proposed structure is that once isolation is achieved, which can be likened to cutting the loop in the elastic band on its path between the poles outside the magnetic material, communication in terms of opposite but equal forces (Newton physics) is disrupted and redistribution of the elastic tension is thus possible.

The final and most dubious assumption is that in this isolated condition if the flux pressure created by the balance of force at the boundary wall is unbalanced by draining energy from one side of the loop, the boundary wall will readjust to compensate (as it does if you cut away any part of the magnet). If this condition can be maintained as a closed loop, the boundary wall will in time stop a one polar extreme of the magnet.

THE CONSTRUCT

A spherical hollow shell constructed of 60 NdFeB 55 MGOe magnets of a geometry that creates a sphere, say 8" in diameter with 1.5" walls. A deltoidal hexecontahedron is a possibility. The polarity of the magnets is such that the North pole is always on the outer surface and the South pole on the inside. At no point can flux complete a circuit without crossing itself. Leakage will occur due to faults in the material and construction but only until a stable equilibrium condition is achieved.

The sphere is now placed in an electrically and magnetically inert outer shell (Zirconia ceramic) comprised of two halves that can be secured together. The shell is such that its internal dimension is a little larger than the sphere so leaving a small cavity. The sphere is centered by means of inert spacers.

The outer surface of this ceramic sphere is tilled with deltoidal hexecontahedron shaped super conducting tiles. A small valve is left uncovered to allow introduction of Liquid Nitrogen (to achieve super conducting state in the outer tiles) into the cavity between the ceramic outer shell and the magnetic structure inside it.

POSSIBLE RESULT

With the poles of the magnets isolated,  the domain boundary wall is dependent on the balance of forces between two separate flux path halves. As lines of force from the magnets North pole flux lines become 'relaxed' due to zero resistance flux pinning to the Super Conductor outer shell, and the balance of elastic tension becomes unbalanced and shifts to the opposing pole. Much depends on the extent of flux pinning and the initial stability of the containment sphere. The maths and construction present major problems but such a construct is possible.

ANY COMMENTS, IDEAS OR EVEN CRIES OF 'YOU'RE QUITE MAD?'


Due to his combative nature on his very first day and post, this thread is closed to further comments.
A mono pole magnetic structure? [Comments Locked] | 37 comments (37 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by fcfcfc on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:08:24 AM MST
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Hi: Is there any practical motivator to this outcome..??.. Does it solve an engineering problem for some "device"..??.. Are there theoretical valleys of exploration that can now be practically explored with this device, that were other wise out of view..?..



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Flux on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:11:39 AM MST
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It keeps one man amused and wastes the rest of the nation's time.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:52:53 AM MST
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You are so right. What a waste of time trying to understand the most fundamental force in the Universe is.

I could be watching Starsearch and be another productive citizen like you.

Science. RIP.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by ghurd on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:57:06 AM MST
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Perhaps you should let the 1000s of PhDs worrking on it do this,
go back to OU,
and know who you are talking about before making a statement like that.
G-

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:07:49 AM MST
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I know exactly what I am talking about having been involved with permanent magnet research for the last fourteen years, funded by a major US company and have employed several Phd's over that period who freely admit to knowing less than me in many aspects of the science.

It is sad to see so little interest in theoretical magnetic problems and so much rudeness here.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Flux on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:43:28 AM MST
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Sorry I did not intend to be rude. If you use your skill to develop better magnets we shall all be delighted to benefit from it. unfortunately any fundamental understanding of how magnets work is not going to produce anyone a better alternator.

We have all benefited immensely from the development of better magnets, but that is a field beyond the average persons capability. This is not the place for fundamental discussion on magnetic theory but I am sure there are such places on the internet.

One day if you make a better magnet then we shall all be grateful but I suspect that you will not be making a better windmill as the concept of unit poles doesn't work out too well and the homopolar generator remains in the land of one day wonders.

Flux

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:43:18 PM MST
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Dear Flux,

I appreciate your apology. Never the less I cannot see how theory and practice can be separated as one is a function of the other. It helps to know what you are doing but you do it.

Regarding a 'better magnet' or 'alternator', all I can say is watch the science news later this year and then repeat that statement.

What 'science news' you may ask. Well, you will know 'what news' when you see it.

Warmest regards,

aimulti

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by finnsawyer on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:00:51 AM MST
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You may know what you are talking about, but it's too bad that you couldn't convey that knowledge to us.  So much verbiage, so little sense....
GeoM
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:28:39 AM MST
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Thanks for your reply. The experiment is more theoretical than practical and is one of many experiments based on by belief that if you understand magnetic flux (in isolation), you will soon understand everything.

It is based on the idea that if you cannot meet the 'master', then knowing his servants will tell much about him.

Magnetic flux is unique in that it is not corrupted by the act of perception as it operates outside time and lacks mass. It is a pure reference or datum plane.

If such a structure was possible it could unlock the secrets of gravity and also allow magnetic circuits that used induction (Eddy Currents) to increase not reduce output.

Hope this helps you understand why the construct interests me.

Best wishes,

aimulti

 

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by finnsawyer on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:46:24 AM MST
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Sorry, but the magnetic field also obeys the dictates of the Special Theory of Relativity.  You think this thing could be built.  Perhaps it can't.  Perhaps it would take infinite energy to do so.  You can calculate the energy contained in a shell of charge by bringing infinitesimal amounts of charge onto the shell and summing (integrating) all the amounts of work or energy needed to do so.  Can you do a similar calculation for your monopolar magnetic sphere?

From a practical standpoint when you try to bring the last few magnets onto the sphere they will insist on flipping.  If you try to use some sort of machine to hold the magnets, the magnets will likely disintegrate as the individual magnetic domains flip causing strong stresses in the magnets.  Just because you can conceive of something doesn't mean it can be built.
GeoM
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:48:56 PM MST
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The mechanical problems of assembling the sphere have been worked out. It requires a fairly complex jig with hydraulic actuators and retracting sleeves. When you say the magnets will 'flip', do you mean physically or magnetically?

The mechanical flip can be stopped, as I said. The internal magnetic 'flip' or demagnetizing is a function of the B and H curve of the material. For 55MGOe NdFeB the ratio is about 7:1 so if the imbalance exceeded this ratio the magnet would fail.

In the proposed design the magnetizing force and demagnetizing force is kept in limit by the pinned flux.

The greater the contamination of the super conducting material, the greater the pinning and 'draining' of one side of the circuit.

The device does not require the addition of energy for containment, like a Stellarator or Tokamak, as it is a relative field block not an external field bottle.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by clflyguy (sidney.raiford@gmail.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:29:57 AM MST
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fc-
 It seems rather obvious to me that if the appropriate spherical (shell within shell) semiconductor could be carefully centered and suspended by insulated superconducting leads, that you would have a crude but effective flux capacitor, a
necessary component in in any attempt to build a functioning time machine
 

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Dagnabit.... (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by TomW on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:22:33 AM MST
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Just what we need another academic theorist sucking energy away from the builders.

Guess its the way now. Can't restrict free thought.

Thanks for the nice pile of bull manure, it will come in handy fertilizing my garden bud.

TW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Tritium on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:44:48 AM MST
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Great post for a thinker but what is the practical application and why on earth would you come here to post is what I cannot figure out. This site is about making your own power not deep theory about a device that has no explanation of why it should be built or its application to my power needs.

The attack on Flux is, of course, unforgivable as he is one of the best things going for this forum.

Thurmond



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by electrondady1 on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:41:42 AM MST
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earth to aimulti....
earth to aimulti....

once again we need your help.
we have foolishly released carbon from the Paleozoic era.
the poles are melting.
what should we do!
 

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by TomW on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 11:32:18 AM MST
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electrondady

earth to aimulti....
earth to aimulti....

once again we need your help.
we have foolishly released carbon from the Paleozoic era.
the poles are melting.
what should we do!





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Jedi's, Krill and Exxon-Mobil (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by RogerAS (theropod at yahoo dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 04:39:31 PM MST
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Hey folks,

Come on now people, this device will unlock the "force" and we will all be able to exert our Jedi powers. When this is done we won't need electricity as we can just "will" things into being. Didn't any of you ever see the old movie "Forbidden Planet"? The "Krill" obviously employed just such a device to sidestep the need for physicality at all. I for one can't wait! I want to imagine myself being "king of the world" and this will make it happen. Where can I send what few dollars I have as a deposit on a prototype? How big a magneto-ball can I expect for $5?

On a more (slightly) serious note, last night the northern lights were acting up way down here in Arkansas. They weren't as vivid or colorful as what I've seen when living at a higher latitude, but neat none-the-less. Do you suppose our OP was messing around with his "device" last night? Maybe doing some preliminary fine tuning? Bending the earth's field lines to his location? Reckon he's and Arkie too? And some people claim we're all a bunch of inbred hillbillies! Shame on you!

Here's another thought;
Suppose one were to make this sphere big enough to use as an isolation chamber, like in the movie "Contact" starring Jodie Foster. Then make a cannon big enough to shoot this ball of wonderment at hypervelocity through a similar ring-like device. The teleportation of matter through time and space! Imagine that! Or not.

I know, this device will allow us mortals to construct and control tiny little artificial singularities, just like the Romulians from "Star Trek". This little ball can contain said black hole and we can then distort the very fabric of space-time for a working warp drive. Talk about miles per gallon! Heck all one needs to do is keep a supply of liquid nitrogen at hand and the universe is now open as vacation-land for "lawyers in love". Anybody wanna go in on my new chain of nitrogen pumping stations. We'll have Exxon-Mobil on their knees in no time! Of course the stations all have to be self-serve and automated. I'm now taking applications for tanker (space tanker) drivers. Class A CDL and a pre-employment drug screen required (with positive results)! Oh yea, experience with zero G a plus! Can you hear me major Tom?

No, really, the idea is to distort all internet traffic, just like Google. Pour the liquid nitrogen into this magic ball and sit the magneto-ball next to any computer and instantly gobble up all the credit card transactions world-wide. Or erase the hard drive at an incredible speed!

I better stop here or Sandia and the Jet Propulsion Lab in cooperation with Homeland Security will be paying me a visit. Oh wait, they won't bother, 'cause they already know I'm a complete retard, and everything I just typed is as big a load of bull cookies as the concept and usefulness of the original idea. Whew, that was close! NOT!!

Have a good one everybody.
Roger AS
8 Years off-grid & counting



Re: Jedi's, Krill and Exxon-Mobil (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 05:56:02 PM MST
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Dear Roger,

It is bad enough that you are rude but worse still that you are a fool. I am not selling anything nor am I a New Age pseudo science nut.

If you have no interest in the subject that is fine, but than please keep your childish insults to yourself.

It is clear you know nothing about the topic and if I had proposed a Tokamak style toroidal field containment structure your response would have been the same.

Grow up, Sir!

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aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by TomW on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:10:11 PM MST
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aimulti

Please, Please, just GO AWAY.

Hopefully that is clear enough to you.

If you had spent even a half hour reading here you would know your diatribe is not germane to the topic here.

This rhetoric has absolutely NOTHING to do with practical production of electric power.

Your arrogance is astounding.

Please just pretend we do not exist.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:13:29 PM MST
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The best response so far. You are right. I am wasting my time here as you all seem to think ignorance is bliss and theory and practice have no connection.

Build away folks.

Last post.

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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by TomW on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:16:14 PM MST
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CLICK

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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:40:37 PM MST
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Well done Tom,
 I just typed a bunch of stuff and backed off.You killed the bug in one swat though.

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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#24)
by oztules (oztules__at__bigpond.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:13:50 PM MST
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I'm sorry Tomw,

But I too have been squirreling away feverishly at building a device which whist not completely overcoming the effect of gravitons and their accompanying bosuns, does seem to work quite well.

I have devised a machine which will power mankind towards outer space with no external energy.
Just last night I elevated myself to the dizzying height towards space  of 11 feet, unaided by any but my own power.

This astonishing feat was achieved with my new device which for your edification I will continue to outline below.

It consists of some parallel arms with cross arms running at 90 degrees to the parallel ones. Interspaced between these smaller cross arms are harmless  vacuous areas. These vacuous areas are spaced evenly apart to achieve a laminer airflow should some arrive while this amazing device is  being utilized.

I have found that sometimes while in ascent mode there were some unusual noises and warm exhaust gasses escaping. I have since improved the design to incorporate a set of leather underpants and the lid off a biscuit tin with a hole in it to protect the nether regions from the exhausting gas.

I claim this device will be able to move countless persons toward outerspace, at an incredible rate... at least several feet per second, is scaleable,and with minimal environmental damage..... except of course those gasses I was talking about.

However, on closer inspection of the apparatus, I have noticed that the usage of rubber feet on the base of the device helps the interface between the device and terrafirma, and so minimises the slippage that one may suspect could occur with the thrust generated by this type of machine.

Whilst using this device and elevating myself towards the firmament under my own power,  I have discovered that the leather underwear and accompaning biscuit tin lid are not necessary if you dont fart while climbing it.
I've decided to call this thing a ladder.

I'm sure that some practical use will come of this device.

....... oztules (livin on the edge)
Flinders Island Australia
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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#27)
by vawtman (vawtman(at)charter(dot)net) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:33:18 PM MST
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LOL Oz
 Don't count on me stoppin by anytime soon.

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Re: aimulti.... (3.00 / 0) (#28)
by RogerAS (theropod at yahoo dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:38:39 PM MST
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Ah Heck Tom,

You made the OP go away before I even got to "politely" respond?

:-)

Later,
Roger AS
8 Years off-grid & counting
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"Toys-R-us" kid (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by RogerAS (theropod at yahoo dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:26:16 PM MST
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Hey aimulti,

I don't wanna grow up, I'm a "Toys-R-us" kid!

Rude? Ask Tom W what I'm like when I'm rude. (Tom, feel free to explain this to our illustrious OP if you would care to do so). You have no clue what I'm like then, and thankfully you may never find out, unless you search the forum for some of my previous postings. Trust me, I can, and have, expressed rudeness that are several orders of magnitude greater than what you have seen today, and will read hereafter.

Is this now an invitation for you to inspire this elusive level of rudeness expressed towards you and your "ideas"?

Sir, I am no fool. I have served as executive director of a natural history museum. In this capacity I studied the shifts in the earths magnetic polarity and the application of dating methods in very ancient rocks. I have served as president of a very large jaycee chapter. I have achieved so many goals in highly competitive fields I lose track of them all. I may be a great many things, good sir, but I am no fool. Nor am I a child, as I have lived to see many great changes in our world. I may display foolish, but fun loving, aspects of my personality from time to time, but I regret to inform your highness that you have made a grave error by assuming such a stance. You may glean from my writing style that I also do have a fair command of the English language. Would you now care to retract your unfounded claim(s), or do you wish to express your ignorance further?

In no way did I resort to a personal attack on you or your idea. I was using a common rhetorical method known as satire. Maybe you should spend a little less time thinking in abstract terms and join us mere mortals in the here and now. I know this is a great deal to ask of a self proclaimed genius such as yourself, but it might make us peons more open to your abstractions. Whatever I may be I have the ability to understand when I have worn out my welcome, however brief my visit may have been.

BTW I have been a contributor here for several years. When did you join this fine group?

If indeed you are not "selling" anything I am forced to ask what's your purpose for coming here? Would not your proposed unipolar magnet be more fittingly espoused on a physics forum? Better yet, as part of a paper one should publish in a peer reviewed journal? Maybe Steven Hawking could advise you better than those you have encountered here to date. Be aware that Dr. Hawking also has a sense of humor, and this may be a stumbling block for you, considering your response to my review.

Just how would a "Tokamak style toroidal field containment structure" support an artificial singularity, when the magnetic field has very little, if anything, to do with graviton waves? Just as how would a "Tokamak style toroidal field containment structure" be useful for anything other than containing a thermonuclear reaction, and how does this apply to magnetism beyond the sub atomic level? Can you demonstrate that a "Tokamak style toroidal field containment structure" is even a practical solution to containment of a fusion reaction, since this has not been successfully demonstrated to date? Do you now see that my level of understanding of such matters may be far beyond what you assumed them to be?

Since you viewed my posting as a series of "childish insults" I am forced to query you as to what type of insults you would consider to be more adult in nature? I may renew my efforts based on your response, for I do enjoy a challenge. This is assuming your presence here is not prematurely terminated. Others have experienced this for far less obnoxious behavior. I truly hope the later is not an immediate eventuality because I cannot help but be entertained by such greatness as you have displayed so far.
Roger AS
8 Years off-grid & counting
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by spinningmagnets (velmis1450bc(at)aol(dot)com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 06:49:40 PM MST
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(Disclaimer: magnet noob typing) Not to continue beating a horse so dead that it's already stinking up the joint, but...

What are some possible applications of a "mono-pole" magnet?

Bearing in mind that I'm easily amused. I was absolutely fascinated by a magnetic base I used once.

By rotating a knob 180 degrees, two internal magnets could be aligned to either work together (forming a strong bond to a steel plate [see the safe-cracking movie "Heat"]) or cancel each other out (allowing it to be easily moved).

"Concerning taxes, those who take from Peter to give to Paul, can always count on the support of Paul". -Mark Twain



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#30)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:07:08 PM MST
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Dear Spinning Magnets,

I was not going to ever post here again and true to that decision will not respond to any further diatribes regarding my original post.

I was, however, pleased to see that at least one person has an actual interest in magnetic.

The magnetic base you describe is quite interesting.

Most work not by using two magnets but one magnet and a Shunt.

A Shunt is a form of magnetic short circuit. It is constructed of two pole pieces and a movable bridge. The pieces must be of a soft magnetic material able to 'conduct' the entire flux density. Iron is the best material in most cases.

A Shunt will cause a ninety per cent shut off in flux at the working face of the magnet.

A total shut off is possible but requires two cylindrical magnets (magnetized diametrically) stacked one above the other and sharing common pole caps. Rotation of the magnets creates total pole blocking in the pole cap material.

In essence, the Shunt alters the magnetic gradient equilibrium by reducing the resistance to the flow of flux (in air) by the higher permeability path offered by the bridge between the poles.

The rule is flux will never flow from a high pressure region through a low pressure region and the net product will always remain unaltered except in spatial distribution.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,

aimulti

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#32)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:19:06 PM MST
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CORRECTION

The rule is flux will never flow from a low pressure region through a high pressure region and the net product will always remain unaltered except in spatial distribution.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by Cloaked User on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:29:59 PM MST
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The really funny thing is, if the original post had been labeled a rant, the reactionaries wouldn't have gone off so quickly or so vehemently.

Lots of amazing things going on in the science and technology realm. Never is it a waste of time to try to get a better understanding of the forces one is trying to harness. And of course, no one is forcing anyone to read any post here, or to reply.



Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#29)
by TheCasualTraveler (a.miklos@yahoo.com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 07:44:04 PM MST
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Who was that cloaked man?
Andy
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#31)
by RogerAS (theropod at yahoo dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:18:27 PM MST
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Annon,

The OP closed his first posting with this;

"ANY COMMENTS, IDEAS OR EVEN CRIES OF 'YOU'RE QUITE MAD?"

Despite this statement the OP went off like a bottle rocket with a very short fuse when faced with ANY form of critical objection. Even what were obviously joking replies were treated very badly. This is observed fact, not opinion.

Are you defending his reactionary diatribes? Hmmm? Are you his/her clone?
Roger AS
8 Years off-grid & counting
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#33)
by Cloaked User on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:21:25 PM MST
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Yeah, I know: it's all about being right. I understand that. What saddens me is that it's so unnecessary.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#34)
by aimulti on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:25:56 PM MST
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Just remember rudeness is NOT "ANY form of critical objection".

It did not appear anyone had the knowledge to offer 'critical objection' just pathetic 'satire' and outright ill manners.

Damn. I was not going to get involved in this nonsense again.

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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#36)
by RogerAS (theropod at yahoo dot com) on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:50:08 PM MST
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aimulti ,

You wrote:
"Damn. I was not going to get involved in this nonsense again."

Yet here you are. Why not respond to my follow-up posting to your personal attack?

Don't invite comment if you lack the strength of character to accept the results.

Since I cannot see any change in your attitude I am going to end my participation until I see a direct and clear retraction of your personal attack. Do not read into this an admission of defeat. Rather see this as a clear expression of disgust.

Good night.
Roger AS
8 Years off-grid & counting
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THIS THREAD IS CLOSED (3.00 / 0) (#37)
by TomW on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 09:02:10 PM MST
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Roger;

Too late. Due to his combative nature on his very first day and post, I am closing this thread.

If he had seriously discussed this I would have left this alone.

Just how it is.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: A mono pole magnetic structure? (3.00 / 0) (#35)
by Tritium on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 at 08:32:09 PM MST
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aimulti

I still ask the question, what does this device do for my home or business power needs?

If I understand your initial post correctly you expect to concentrate all the flux of the south pole of a magnetic field at the center of a spherical area. Please tell me what is the purpose? Is this some magnetic analog of fusion? EMP device? Help me out here.

You posted I am just trying to understand why.

Thurmond



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