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glued coils,can they


By parat8, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:59:18 PM MST
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glued coils ,can they be pulled apart and rewound?i have some coils i wound but to many turns,good wire and hate to waste it.all i need to do is make my stater and test.im on a fixed income and the mag.wire is not cheap as you know.can someone tell me about this?i would be greatfull.
   may the wind be in your blades and the sun in your panals
   parat8
glued coils,can they | 13 comments (13 topical)

Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by JW on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:02:04 PM MST

I dont know Parat8,

 Personally, any coils that I wound and 'tacked' together with super-glue (cycrnidic or whatever type of glue) I would have to inspect the bonding-site with a magnifying-glass, after I pulled the coil apart. If the varnish coating is still intack, I see no reason why you could not re-wind the wire.

JW



Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by projectpower on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:03:00 PM MST

i dont no if it helps but the prob can be un glued useing gloe solvent but i dont no what effect this will have on the copper
christopher


Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by hiker on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:39:25 PM MST

heat the coils in boiling water--then unwind..
WILD IN ALASKA
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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Jerry on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:58:51 PM MST

Hi Parat8.

Havn't heard from you for a while. Just leave the coils as they are and "Jerry Rig" it.

                        JK TAS Jerry

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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by parat8 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 10:06:51 PM MST

jerry,havent heard from you in a while ether.how do you "jerry rig it"?ive got just about all the parts i need to put this puppy together.i want to use the same material you used for your stater but im not sure about the temp..im putting up a 10'genn.and was concerned if it would melt.could i use the same stuff or would i have to make a mold and make the stater that way?ive been looking for you and a way to get in tuch with you to talk shop,i ask a question on the board and get sarcastic answers like i should know all these things, im doing my homework.i get something once a month,like a magnet or a some glue,stuff to rebuild my coil winder.its coming along slow but steady,hope to  here from you,tell me how you would "jerry rig"it.
       parat8
                                  ps   how is your shop coming along?good i hope

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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by electrondady1 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:09:00 AM MST

depending on the glue i guess.
i have heated lots of them in a toaster oven set at 250f
works ok.

jerry rigged is when you rectify individual coils or  phases, separately
rather than the traditional star method.


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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by dinges on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:06:09 AM MST

"i have heated lots of them in a toaster oven set at 250f
works ok."

Depends on the wire-insulation class, I suppose... If you use class-A wire you'd be in trouble at 250 deg. F:

http://www.anotherpower.com/gallery/dinges/Leeson_5

I use class-H insulated wire but if one uses scrounged wire one can only guess at the temperature the insulation is rated for.

Using solvents to dissolve the glue wouldn't seem right to me either. How can you be sure the solvent doesn't damage the wire insulation ?

To the original poster:

If those were my coils I would cut my losses and wind new ones. Yes, copper is expensive. But you could at least sell the old coils for scrap value and recuperate some of the expenses. Reducing the number of the turns after they're bonded with glue (or even cast?) is an exercise in futility. (unless you used lousy glue to begin with).

Peter.

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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by ghurd on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:12:07 AM MST

Like this...



Ghurd.info
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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by JW on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:14:29 PM MST

Parat8,

 Sorry to hear, that you've got some negative comments. Just come's with the territory I guess.

 One other thing, say you actually went thru the trouble, of inspecting the wire. Then found a few bad-spots, where the insulation/varnish is comprimised. I would think a spray-can of varnish, would be able to re-coat the wire with a puff or two. Then it would still be, ok to rewind(after drying). By the way, I really like Hikers comment to boil the coils, before un-winding them with less trouble, Hiker, does it make a difference if they are un-wound hot, or after they have cooled?. This should work with the super-glue, types of glue.

   I have discussed isolating 'phases' with individual diode-bridges with Flux before, he pointed out to me, the pole-to-coil ratio determines how many possible phases there may be. Personally Im going to try a single phase machine with what I have. I think it wont be the most super-duper alt, but am willing to bet it will work. Besides no matter what, I will learn something about all the variables involved.

JW

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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by parat8 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:30:21 PM MST

thanks jw,i think the boiling thing will work but you make a good point,should it be hot or cooled down first.ive got more than one bad coil so i will try it both ways and see,again thanks for the comment.
               parat8

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Save sanity (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by wdyasq on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:50:07 PM MST

I don't know where you found the negative comments.

I know if I had any doubts about a piece of wire replacing it would be necessary. Spending the time to wind and cast a stator, the time and money to assemble and the time and money and to erect a mill should encourage one to use first class materials and not risk possible failure because one cared to save a few dollars. The risks just don't seem to be worth the returns, IMO.

But hey, it is your project and your money. It is yours to use intelligently or to squander. I seldom find time to do things right the first time. I can't recommend one reuse any questionable parts.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: Save sanity (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by parat8 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:39:12 PM MST

you make a point but,i dont get negative comments,some times i get sarcastic answers to my questions.you should read my storys,im a para in a chair ,and on fixed income,i dont have a shop like you and the other guys on this board.im doing this all from my apartment and doing damn good for what ive got.and by the way negative and sarcastic are two different words check webster,now thats sarcastic.
        parat8

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Re: glued coils,can they (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Electron Skipper on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:52:44 AM MST

If you do not have a vintage "growler"- get one.

They will work with an open core of wire.  

If reclaiming wire from Microwave ovens or somewhere else, there is always the chance of an insulation failure, so you can test them before you cast them.  Which is a good thing to do even if you wind virgin copper.

Just an idea.
30 KiloWatt Brats anyone?



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