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Shoot holes in this


By brkwind2, Section Newbies
Posted on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:49:50 PM MST
Or why shouldn't I?

My original plan was to build the 12' Gen. in H. Piggots book since it was the largest then I figured it had to be the best.  Now I see in a few postings it has been determined the stator may be a little light duty for this mill as I understand it.  I already have most of the metal cut for the PMG mount etc. & it won't be long until I have to spend money on magnets & wire so I'm going to have to finalize what I'm going to try to do soon.
The remedy proposed for the light stator was to use larger, stronger magnets which would enable a thicker stator & fewer windings with larger wire for more current capability.  Since I'm straying from the original design I'm sure I'll have to wind a test coil & see what I've got but if you folks would be so kind as to look over what I've got planned & tell me if I'm wasting my time & money before I do so, I'll be appreciative.
The original design called for 3 phases, 4 coils per phase, 25 turns, 2 in hand of 13 Ga. for 12v.  I want a 24v mill so was planning for 50 turns of 16 Ga.  It also called for 2-14 I/2" magnet rotors with 1" by 2" by 1/2" n35 magnets, 16 mags. per rotor.
I'm proposing to use a 5/8" thick stator & rotors with 1 by 2 by 3/4" n50's.  I also plan to make the hole in the center of the coil 3/4" at the bottom & 1&1/4" at the top.  This should give a little more room where the coils would touch.  I'm thinking I can get approx. 37 turns of 14 Ga. wire 2 in hand in the same area & with the stronger magnets, still get enough voltage out of it to get to 24v.  I've also considered trying 18Ga. 4 in hand for better (compaction?)  Not sure that's the word I'm looking for but hopefully you know what I mean.  Anyhow, shoot holes in my design if you would be so kind.
thanks
Shoot holes in this | 3 comments (3 topical)

Re: Shoot holes in this (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by DanB on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:24:29 PM MST

If I recall the one we built in Bluefields Nicaragua recently, used 16 2" diameter x 1/2" thick round magnets on each rotor, and the coils each had 36 turns of AWG 14 wire in them.  I'll have to find my notebook...
the coils were slightly wedge shaped.  Very close to what you're planning actually!  I'll dig and see if I can find the details.  So far as I know though, it was working well, it seemed like it was running efficiently and not stalling as badly as I expected.
You're on the right track I think!



Re: Shoot holes in this (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Flux on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:57:32 AM MST

For the thicker magnets I would increase the stator thickness. Probably working a 7/8" stator in a 1" air gap.

That will keep your flux density similar and so you will be back close to the 50 turns.

You will have more winding space from the increased thickness and I agree that you can squeeze the part of the coil where it touches its neighbours near the centre.

Winding more than 3 strands in hand gets a bit messy. You do get a better stacking factor with more strands and you gain a bit with thinner wires crossing from the centre but with lots of strands things tend to get messy unless you waste an infinite time on it.

Best to do a test coil to check cut in and then you will have a far better idea of what size wire you can squeeze in.

Flux

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Re: Shoot holes in this (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by DanB on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:58:00 AM MST

I need to correct what I said there...
we used 36 turns, 2 strands of 14.

This gave a big safety factor over the original design.

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