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Interesting patent application!


By DanB, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 03:44:20 PM MST
Axial Flux Alternator patent application.

This came up on another discussion forum, I thought it'd be interesting to see what folks here think.  Reading through it all, it seems that they're trying to patent rather old technology.  Perhaps my take on it is wrong, but it's disturbing to me when somebody is trying to benefit off the work of so many others.  I expect there are  some machines over 100 years old that would be covered by this one.  Read it carefully, look over 'description', 'claims' etc...

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2005119886&IA=WO2005119886&DISPLAY=STATUS

Interesting patent application! | 11 comments (11 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Chagrin on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:07:03 AM MST
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You can find an opinion on the patent under the "documents" tab. It doesn't look like the patent is going to go very far.

"The common technical effect of the five inventions may be regarded as providing an improved axial flux motor. However, this technical effect is known to the person skilled in the art."



Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Flux on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:07:13 AM MST
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Yes it keeps happening. I suppose once a patent expires you are free to invent it again.

I can't think of a direct example of a permanent magnet axial from the early era. The early permanent magnet stuff was radial. I suppose we could just about get Pixii into this category PM axial.

The early axial machines of Feranti, Mordey, Siemens etc were electromagnet. A clever patent would just say magnet and cover the lot. Not sure how much of the early stuff was patented anyway.

It does bother me that anything pre 1950 seems to have been totally forgotten and the world just seems to reinvent it rather than build on what has been done before.

The people that run the patent offices are pretty clueless and would never realise that there is nothing new in this.

Universities are particularly bad at reinventing the wheel, I suppose that if you are going for a PhD on something done a few years ago you might as well go for a patent.

Flux



Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by SparWeb (sparweb at ANTISPAM_hotmail_com) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 01:22:29 PM MST
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Speaking in their defense, this patent officer wasn't fooled:

"The subject matter of Claim 1 is not new..."
"The subject matters of Claim 2-4,12, and 49-51 are not new or not inventive..."

In a few years, I plan to invent a silver-halide substance and patent it for its useful photosensitivity (shhh, don't tell anyone else, please).
Steven Fahey
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Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 02:31:58 PM MST
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Combine it with a method and apparatus for extracting the money from gullible 'investors' and you have a rock-solid business-method patent, but make sure it takes more than ahem one click on your Web site to complete the money extraction or Amazon's lawyers will be after you on the grounds of prior art and infringement.  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by pepa on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:08:31 AM MST
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it looks like he has been visiting your shop. pepa



Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Flux on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:26:38 AM MST
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I forgot the classic PM axial built in huge quantities, the Ford T,  Fordson F flywheel alternator.

Flux

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Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by tecker on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 02:59:36 PM MST
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While a good idea to keep the university out of the pits of litigation and almost essential for those public figures . The invention was perfected long before .This was a copy of an earlier machine and probably  there is no research to backup a legal claim. That's why none have been made. A lot of companys have Axils out there .



Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by boB on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 05:07:04 PM MST
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I believe that the US patent office just wants the money from the patents no matter if it's a good patent or not.   After all, the USPO is exempt from any legal/litigation responsibilities.  It sure makes lawyers rich though !

bob
K7IQ


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Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by bob g on Tue Apr 29th, 2008 at 06:16:08 PM MST
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what i find interesting is the fact that often times even the exact wording
in the description is pirated from copyrighted text!

while looking for another book on power electronics, i came across a google excerpted section of the book that was also copied into the text of a patent application as if it were the original work of the guy applying for the patent.

i really wonder how many of these patents would hold up to court review?

wouldn't surprise me to see a new patent on a "wheel" come up in  a google search.

not much new under the sun it would seem.

notice in the OP link, the reference to a stator with toroid coils?
hmmmm, sounds like my old torogen design to me,, and even my old torogen was designed on the shoulders of a design from the 50's, which was probably built on a design from even earlier in the century.

i wonder if those that get these patents, ever make a dime for their effort?

bob g



Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 01:30:52 AM MST
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As a joke, to show how lax Australian patent inspection was, someone did patent the wheel a few years ago, and the patent was granted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1418165.stm

Rgds

Damon


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Re: Interesting patent application! (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by adobejoe (andy12rose@yahoo.com) on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM MST
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In the Great Windy State of Wyoming


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