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Care and feeding of used telco batteries
By asheets, Section Storage Posted on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 07:51:12 PM MST
need advice, please

The company I'm currently working for is reallocating a lot of its lab space in the next few months. They have lots (and I mean LOTS -- several per lab) of telco-grade UPS units with 2V batteries of the Lucent and Nortstar brands. During the lab changeout, the batteries will be replaced and I've been given 1st shot at taking any batteries I want (the facilities managers are already having problems recycling the metals from old test equipment, and would rather someone else deal with the batteries at the moment). The potential haul is almost 500 batteries.
The thing is... although most are tested regularly under load and monitored constantly, they are well past their "freshness" date. The site electrician indicated that some of the units should have been replaced 2 years ago, while others he doesn't have a clue about. There are a few packs that have been cut out of the circuits and are just sitting there (replaced with other batteries on the side). The in-service units recently passed their yearly "full-load failover" tests.
Incidentally, all I have to charge them with at the moment is 20W of solar and an Ametek PMM with 4' blades.
I've read the board, Google'd a few pertinent pages on the site, etc., but would like to get some opinions from the good folks...

Are they worth hauling off? Will I get my gas money back if I end up taking everything to the scrapper if all goes to heck?
How many should try to hook up to my small site? I'm money challenged at the moment, so my RE probably isn't going to expand anytime soon.
Is it worth it to take more than I can immediately use, and maintain the extras with grid power?
Anything special I should do once I get them home, in terms of maintenance and preparation for their new use?

Care and feeding of used telco batteries | 13 comments (13 topical)

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by GlutealCleft on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:05:45 PM MST

Usually, companies like telcos replace batteries simply because they've reached a certain age, not because they don't work any more. And that age is usually chosen so that few - if any - of the batteries will fail in that time period. (Where I work, batteries are only used three years, then replaced.)

Chances are that the batteries are just fine. You won't get quite as many years out of them as you would from brand-new, but for the price, you can't beat it.

Why not take a few home as soon as you can and test them? Personally, I'd take them all - even if you can't use them, others could certainly use them.

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by zeusmorg on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:20:19 PM MST

The scrap value on that many batteries alone would make it worthwhile. it depends on their size (and weight) but even at $1 a pop, that would add up. If they're the huge 85 pounders, you're talking some serious recycle value..

Chances are you'll get way more useful batteries than you're going to need. Maybe you could find another local RE person that could use them.

To determine how many you'd need on your system more info would be needed you do want them to reach float voltage occasionally, and not go below too low a voltage.

You could set up several battery packs, and rotate them out on occasion to keep them in service longer.

As far as maintenance, are they AGM, or SLA or just deep cycle lead acid? You'll find the lead acid much easier to maintain, a topping up of the water levels is much easier on them.(only use distilled clean water). You may search maintaining the specific type of battery for maintenance requirements.

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by jonas302 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:43:38 PM MST

Just from scrap point of view car batterys are currenty $10 apeice bigger ones go for more take them all charge and sort them scrap the bad ones sell others to friends to pay for more windmills(:

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Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by richhagen on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:36:32 PM MST

I would bet that the scrap value of the lead justifies the cost of retrieving them if nothing else. I have read that some stand by batteries are have plates of Lead-Calcium and do not handle frequent deep discharges, but lack I much actual experience with those batteries. 20 Watts is not a lot of power. As the battery bank size increases, at some point the self discharge rate will exceed your ability to put power into the battery bank, and you will not be able to maintain the batteries in a charged state even if not taking any power out. Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by donald77777 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:23:36 PM MST

where are you located ? I might be able to come pick some up with you.

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by asheets on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 09:35:37 AM MST

I'm in Loveland, CO (south-east of where the Dans are). The batteries are in Boulder. I will announce when I'm finally cleared to take them off-site.
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Alan Sheets
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Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by donald77777 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 10:07:33 AM MST

Well thats too far for me and my dad to drive, im in arizona.

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Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by spinningmagnets on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:35:31 PM MST

I'm not sure about the best way to "load-test" batteries, but I would recommend finding out how to do that very soon, and then load testing a bunch of them as soon as possible.

If you only really need 8 of them (for instance) load test a bunch, and then pick the 8 best for yourself, then determine if the condition of the remainders are poor enough for only scrap value. Then you can contact some recyclers and calculate if the payoff is worth the trouble of hauling them off.

Even with the recent rediculous prices of fuel, if 80% are in great shape, there must be many people who would pay to travel a few miles to get big batteries for a reasonable price...

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by electronbaby on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 08:30:07 PM MST

where are you located and what type of batteries are they? model # manufacturer???
Have Fun!! RoyR KB2UHF

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by luv2weld on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:31:04 AM MST

Alan,
Take all of them, then email me!!!!!
I have two friends that live 4-6 miles from me that are
looking to increase their battery banks. And I would like
to increase mine too. We live close to Salida/Buena Vista, CO.
About 120 miles southwest of Denver on hiway 285. We can work
out the details in direct emails. If you want to barter, I
have a sawmill, so we can supply you with lumber for carving
blades. Just grab them now!!!!!!!!

To keep them from deteriorating, hook them up in banks
of 12v (use 10 gauge wire if you have it) with either a Harbor
Freight 15 watt panel or maybe a cheap Walmart plugin battery
charger. You could rotate the banks, 1 day on the charge,4-5
days off, etc. Even using grid power to keep them charged,
it will be worth it. Any kind of charging to keep them from
sulfating.

Ralph
"The best way to kill time is to work it to death!!"

Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by luv2weld on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:07:48 PM MST

Update:
There are now 4 people (counting me) in my area that are interested.
If you need help moving them, getting them out of the building,
whatever. We even know a place in Denver that we could store some
of them if you need to. This is just too good an opportunity to
pass it up. We are more than willing to help with the recovery.

Ralph
"The best way to kill time is to work it to death!!"
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Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by asheets on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:21:44 AM MST

I will let you know when the batteries are released to me. I found out this morning that the UPS gear won't be moved/upgraded for another month (delay in shutting down a project).
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Alan Sheets
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Re: Care and feeding of used telco batteries (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by luv2weld on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 08:18:20 AM MST

Thanks Alan.
We'll be waiting for your call (email). Don't forget,
we're more than willing to help with the labor.

Ralph
"The best way to kill time is to work it to death!!"
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