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First Genny,....almost there..


By rpcancun, Section Wind
Posted on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:47:33 PM MST
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Ok ,...heres some info

  1. " diam x 3/8 thick rotors
  2. 2x2x1/2 mags n40 (per rotor)
  3. Coils 180 turns #16
  4. Coils in series per phase
Stator is mounted on 3/4 ply (yes I know it's a little thick)

When turned by hand I'm getting close to 50 volts per phase
I am using pitch control so it wont turn very fast, I'll have some more pics later....

Should each phase be rectified with one diode half wave or a full wave bridge?

Or parallel all phases and then rectifie?

Thx

Rob


oversized pictures removed. pictures posted here have to be under 640 x 480 pixels and under 150 KB file size please resize and repost in a comment.
Kurt
First Genny,....almost there.. | 15 comments (15 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: First Genny,....almost there..photos resized.. (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:23:17 PM MST
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Re: First Genny,....almost there..photos resized.. (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by tecker on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:30:46 AM MST
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STFU

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Re: First Genny,....almost there..photos resized.. (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by tecker on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:31:46 AM MST
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?

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Re: First Genny,....almost there..photos resized.. (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 03:02:34 AM MST
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Shut The Flip Up.

A little strong for a sig IMHO...

Rgds

Damon

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Re: First Genny,....almost there..photos resized.. (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:42:45 PM MST
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Looks like fun!  Can't wait to see the pitch control hub.

Presumably it's for a 48V battery?

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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by tecker on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 06:24:48 AM MST
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I see I thought it ment somthing like that .



Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by kurt on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 10:24:42 AM MST
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rpcancun, i edited your profile to remove the foul language from you signature line please find another way of expressing yourself that is more acceptable... thank you.

http://www.reresource.org/

IRC


Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 10:30:10 AM MST
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Wow you beat me by 1 minute,....

And It's actually "Shut the face up"

But I can see where it means the other...

Funny though,.. people focused on the negative instead of the questions...

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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by SparWeb (sparweb at ANTISPAM_hotmail_com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 11:05:39 AM MST
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Funny though,.. people focused on the negative instead of the questions...

Undermining your own credibility ruins even the most sincere and thoughtful message.  I know it was accidental on your part, but it's too late now.  A little caution on the reader's part is necessary when people write in their second language, but that didn't come into play, here.

Since you have Kurt's attention, maybe ask politely to delete the thread and start again on a better foot.
Steven Fahey
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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 10:57:30 PM MST
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Yes your right,....Hey Kurt could you please delete all the non usefull comments?

Thx

Rob

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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by tecker on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 05:32:18 PM MST
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It's not a big deal I think ya done good . To think that any person here would want you not to be sucessfull is short sighted .



Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by CmeBREW (smke833f@hotmail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 08:42:29 PM MST
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Hi Rob.  It is looking good. Be interesting to see the vari-pitch hub.

"Should each phase be rectified with one diode half wave or a full wave bridge?"

If you have a 48v battery system, that is what I would do, is use a FULL wave bridge rectifier on each of the three phases, and parallel the 3 dc outputs together.
If you only have a 12v batt system, the mill will stall like a bad dog.
Even with 48v it may still stall, but perhaps a little resistance in the line will free it.



Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 10:45:47 PM MST
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Thanx for the info,...when you say stall,...do you mean it will brake?
I do notice when I short one phase its real hard to turn, so is it the job of the charge controller not to start chargin the bank until a certain voltage is detected?

Thx

Rob

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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by CmeBREW (smke833f@hotmail.com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 07:51:47 PM MST
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Well, You will learn many things doing your own little experiments and by trying many different things.  I think most of us do.

We recently had, what I thought, was a very good discussion on 'Stall' here. You might want to look it over, because there are many aspects to it.  
'Stall' is not quite like 'braking'.  It usually is more like, 'It can't get going fast enough!'
What happens is, the mill starts up in 'free-spin'. (no load)  This is normal. As it spins alittle faster, the voltage keeps going up until it reaches the battery voltage (called:'cut-in').  Now the mill is no longer in 'free spin'.

 The battery starts accepting the current (amps) into it, at, and after this point.(battery voltage)  This is when the mill STARTS having a LOAD on it. (the "Load" IS the current that is now starting to flow into the battery, even though it starts out as a small amount of current, and increases as the mill turns faster and faster)

So one meaning of the term "Stall" is when the blades, in the lower winds, can't turn fast enough because the mill reaches battery voltage (cut-in) TOO EARLY, begins accepting the current/Load, and the mill simply gets 'stuck' at that low rpm because it can't reach a strong enough enertia momentum rotation.  Inotherwords, it can't get going fast enough rpm before the LOAD starts on it!

Lets say for example that you use your mill there with a 12v battery. You said you get about 50 volts per phase by just spinning with your hand.

When you bridge rectify each phase and hook the outputs together, it will be the same voltage as that, but with more amps capability.  The blades will reach 12v cut-in very fast(Too soon), probably around 30rpm or so, and then the battery begins accepting the current and a LOAD is now on the mill.  The blades will not be turning fast enough to reach "lift", nor a decent inertia momentum (rpm) to get over this initial LOAD. It will get 'stuck' at or around 30rpm.  

Looks like with that set-up, you really need a 48v battery bank , so the blades can spin upto a faster rpm before battery voltage 'cut-in'. (just guessing:say 120rpm for a 10 footer??)   I have no idea how your 'variable pitch hub/blades' will affect this. Should be interesting though.

"So is it the job of the charge controller not to start chargin the bank until a certain voltage is detected."

No. The battery does this on its own. The mill is in 'free spin' (no current is flowing into the batts) until the mill reaches the battery voltage, and then, and only then, will it begin accepting the current(load) and thus, charging the battery(S).

Charge controller keeps the batteries from over-charging and ruining by 'bleeding off' the 'extra' power after the batteries reach full charge.

Also, that is normally what happens when you short one phase- it is hard to turn. It should also vibrate badly. When you short all phases together, it is even more mega difficult to turn, but there should be no vibration.

Keep working at it. Looks good.

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Re: First Genny,....almost there.. (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 12:01:40 AM MST
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Wow!! Thanx,....Lots of great info

Its going to be a 12ft machine for now with a max rpm of 100.

I understand now the how the cut in works, i can see now the need for a dump load, but that would make the mill always working (staying hot)

I wonder if theres a device that would just stop the charge when it sensed the battery bank "full" (im sure theres a Voltage for that) then cut the intake from the mill,...with pitch (in theory) the loss of the load would not make the mill "runaway" im hoping to have it flying in the next 2 weeks

Thx again for you input

Rob

ps: Is your e-mail working?

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