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PMA for Bike


By scott1981, Section Wind
Posted on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 09:03:13 PM MST
PMA for Bike

Hey guys I have been reading this discussion board for a while, and I have recently had an idea that I would like to share with you so that you can provide comments or further ideas to this project.

I think that a PMA could be built using a bicycle wheel, but not for a wind application but to generate electricity while riding. I already have a system running on my bike consisting of a dynamo hub as a main power generator.
(For those who want to see the whole project, I posted it on a site - it is in Spanish :P - http://unicrom.com/cir_cargador-bateria-bicicleta.asp)

I have been thinking that hubs wear and that building a PMA on a bike wheel would be a great idea. Initially I thought about 4 round Neo magnets that would be attached to the spokes, and a coil that would be fixed to the bike(yes just ONE for a start) made of thin wire but having MANY MANY turns (>1000). My idea is to add more coils later (up to 4 ideally) and put them in series.

Now here is where is need your experience... I know that the more turns a coil has, the more voltage you can get, BUT the less current you can get and handle because of the wire characteristics. I am targeting between 20 to 30W at 60/70 rpm (wheel RPM) and I would like to know what would be the best configuration (number of coils, turns on each coil, etc).

I hope this is clear enough, and please ask any questions if I was not clear enough in my explanation. This is a very important project to me, because I have long thought about doing something like this, and when I came across PMA websites like this it really made me decide to start the project.

Thanks,

Nick.

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Re: PMA for Bike (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by spinningmagnets (velmis1450bc(at)aol(dot)com) on Sat Jul 19th, 2008 at 07:38:33 AM MST
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Dear Nick, welcome.

I'm going to assume you're talking about making a "pedal generator" where a bicycle is on a stand, and your pedaling charges a battery? If yes, use "pedal generator" as a search term (look at the right side of this page near the top for "Google search the board"). Its been tried before, and there has to be AT LEAST 100 posts with that subject.

The reason I say that, is because carrying a battery and charging it while you are pedaling down the street would difficult and awkward. If you could make a working PMA from the rear wheel, as soon as it began charging the battery, the "load" would make it very difficult to pedal.

Please don't don't spend any money yet on magnets or wire until you've read more.

I haven't made a PMA yet, but I've been studying here for a year. When the time arrives for me to move where I would be allowed to have a wind-generator, I will exactly copy a working design that matches the type of wind I will have there.

That being said, experimenting with what you have can be fun and very educational, best of luck!



Re: PMA for Bike (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by scott1981 on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 06:58:29 PM MST
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Hi and thanks for your quick reply.

Actually, NO I am not trying to make a "pedal generator" though I know what it is. What I am talking about is using the bike's wheels (spokes, structure, etc) to generate electricity in the same way a dynamo would, but without friction. Of course there will be magnetic drag and all that, but no friction. This resembles the Dynamo HUB function, but the only difference is that there would be no need to replace bearings and all that is associated to the normal wear of the hub. Beside I already have a hub, only that I would like to experiment with this PMA prototype...

My system (the one shown in the link in the previous post) already has a battery, it is a SLA (6v 4Ah) which charges very well with the current system, (dynamo hub and charging system), but I would like to have my PMA generate more power than the current 2.4W

I am currently pedaling with a constant load of 6V and 500 mA approx 3W and it feels fine.

Having said all this, do you guys have any idea???

Thanks,

Nick.

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Re: PMA for Bike (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by dnix71 (yahoo.com 'dnix71') on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 08:53:03 PM MST
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I'm not sure you are going to make much electricity by pedalling a bike. I used something like this in college and it made it much more difficult to pedal. It only puts out about 5 watts.

[IMG]http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj62/dnix71/extras/bikelight.jpg[/IMG]



Re: PMA for Bike (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by scott1981 on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 07:00:10 PM MST
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Actually this is the typical dynamo! Thanks, but what I am trying to do is to make my wheel work like a dynamo :-)

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