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What kind of diodes should I buy?
By theiceman, Section Newbies Posted on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 at 04:56:08 PM MST
To build a rectifier what kind of diodes are appropiate.

Hello guys how are you. First of all thank you for taking the time to answer newbies questions, God bless you. Suppose I have a machine I will use to charge a 12V Battery bank, I would like to know what I need to build the rectifier, I mean if I need Diodes I would to know the specifications I have to ask for at the store. Thank you very much.
Luis.

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by TomW on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 at 11:18:17 AM MST
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Luis;

A lot depends on the turbine itself. voltage and current expected are critical bits of information for this.

For a common home built here you will need a bridge rectifier probably a couple. These are prewired diodes to full wave rectify the AC into DC.

I think we will need more information on your plan.

I like to size them rated at at least 2X expected voltage and current.

Tom

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by theiceman on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 at 12:03:48 PM MST
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Dear Tom. We are just starting out a project, and I am in charge of purchasing stuff and I have to do it in advance, and they told me they are going to try to copy this turbine:

http://www.otherpower.com/turbineplans.html

Could you help me out leting me know what kind of bridge rectifiers do I need to purchase for this particular model.

Thank you.

Luis

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by rpcancun (hobbyshopmx@hotmail.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 12:25:34 PM MST
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These are the diodes I am using, there are no electronic suppliers here
that I can find, these where bought from an auto parts store, theyre supposed to be 35a diodes, I then mounted them to a cpu heat sink (2 per sink 1/2 inch hole for each diode)...can anyone tell me more about them?
(the guys at the counter didn't have any other info)

Thx

Rob

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by kurt on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 at 12:51:41 PM MST
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http://otherpower.com/rectifier.html

this sight sells the recommended bridges here.

http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_30&products_id=98

mite wanna read the instructions on that page a bit better before you go buying stuff..... it says right in the instructions 3 bridges min 35 amps.

you could also get a 3 phase bridge off of ebay but that would be deviating from the instructions

http://www.reresource.org/

IRC

Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by theiceman on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 at 04:15:25 PM MST
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THANK YOU!

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by la7qz on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 at 06:41:14 AM MST
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These are the bridges I use in my turbine. I use three of them, using two inputs from each and have installed them in a box with big heat sinks (an automatic fan is being added now). Originally, the alternator had two of these rectifiers and used both inputs of one and one input of the other. However, since I have seen a maximum of 34.95 Amps at peak according to my Doc Wattson meter (at 1170 rpm), using three rectifiers and doubling the inputs seems safer.

While I'm here, I have a question. At the moment I am using one rectifier for each phase. Would it be safer to "stagger" the outputs from the turbine? I mean connect phase A to one input of rectifier 1 and one input of rectifier 2, phase B to rectifier 2 and 3 and phase C to rectifier 3 and 1? I'm thinking that would reduce the peaks through each rectifier, but maybe it wouldn't matter much since the same amount of current would be flowing and the same amount of heat generated.

Owen
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by MAXial dreamer (ihearbs@yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 at 07:57:41 PM MST
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not sure what your measuring. If thats your total output I think your ok.
"windpower" at least its not crack!
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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by wooferhound (tim((NoSpamAt))wooferhound.com) on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 at 10:02:37 PM MST
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NO , don't do it
It will not have any affect on peak distribution. as the drawing shows, each phase is going through its own rectifier, this distributes the peaks perfectly evenly.

W o o f -={(

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 06:27:24 PM MST
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When paralleling multiple diodes to increase current capacity you want the diodes to match as closely as possible. Their voltage/current curve is very non-linear (in particular: it's an exponential) so a very small mismatch throws most of the current into one of the diodes.

So you want them:
- To be at the same temperature.
- To be from the same batch of diodes to minimize process variations.
- To have equal wiring resistance.

Using both sets of diodes in a bridge (thus probably from the same lot or even on a common chip, certainly on a common heatsink, which tends to equalize the temperature) for ONE phase and soldering the incoming AC line for that phase to the midpoint of a wire running between the two AC terminals of that bridge (to provide a tiny and equal series resistance) tends to do this. Splitting the phases between two different bridges specifically AVOIDS doing this (and tempts you to use different wire lengths, further {and drastically} increasing the imbalance.)

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Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by David Hosegood (sv.practical.magic@woosh.co.nz) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 03:03:20 PM MST
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HI THIS WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM ITS AN OFF THE SHELF PRODUCT ITS VERY ROBUST AND IT WORKS WELL FOR F@P VERTICAL WIND TURBINE ITS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR SOME TWO YEARS NOW
YOU WILL NEED SOME FORM OF BATTERY MONITORING IF YOU DO USE THIS JUST ON ITS OWN THOUGH

CHEERS DAVE

VUO 36 VUO 36
Three Phase Rectifier Bridge
IdAV = 35A

VRRM = 800-1800 V

VRSM VRRM Type
+

VDSM VDRM

VV
~
~

800 900 VUO 36-08NO8

1300 VUO 36-12NO8
1500 VUO 36-14NO8
1700 VUO 36-16NO8 1800
VUO 36-18NO8

Features

Symbol Conditions
Maximum Ratings

+
-
~
~
IdAV
IdAVM
TC = 85°C, module
TC = 62°C, module

A
A
IFSM TVJ = 45°C;
VR = 0
t = 0 ms
t = 8.3 ms
(50 Hz)
(60 Hz)

A
A
TVJ = TVJM;
VR = 0
t = 0 ms
t = 8.3 ms
(50 Hz)
(60 Hz)

A
A
I2t TVJ = 45°C;
VR = 0
t = 0 ms
t = 8.3 ms
(50 Hz)
(60 Hz)

A2s
A2s
TVJ = TVJM;
VR = 0
t = 0 ms
t = 8.3 ms
(50 Hz)
(60 Hz)

A2s
A2s
TVJ
TVJM
Tstg
-40...+ 50
50
-40...+ 50
°C
°C
°C
VISOL 50/60 Hz, RMS
IISOL < mA
t = min
t = s

V~
V~
Md Mounting torque (M5)
( 0-32 UNF)

± 0%
± 0%

Nm
lb.in.

Package with ¼" fast-on terminals
Isolation voltage 3000 V~
Planar passivated chips
Blocking voltage up to 800 V
Low forward voltage drop
UL registered E 72873

Applications

Supplies for DC power equipment
Input rectifiers for PWM inverter
Battery DC power supplies
Field supply for DC motors

Advantages

Easy to mount with one screw
Space and weight savings
Improved temperature & power cycling

Dimensions in mm (1 mm = 0.0394")

Weight Typ.
22 g

Symbol Conditions
Characteristic Values

IR VR = VRRM TVJ = 25°C 0.3 mA
TVJ = TVJM 2.0 mA

VF IF = 50 A TVJ = 25°C
.7 V

VT0 For power-loss calculations only 0.8 V
rt 7.4 mW

3 x 0.8
1 ±0.5
±0.2

RthJC per diode; 20° el. 7.50 K/W
per module .25K/W
RthCH per diode; 20° el. 8.40 K/W
per module .40 K/W

dS Creeping distance on surface 2.7 mm
dA Creepage distance in air 9.4 mm
a Max. allowable acceleration 50 m/s2

ABCDE28.5 ±0.28 ±0.312 ±0.3

5 ±0.2
±0.3

VUO 36 VUO 36
Fig. Forward current versus Fig. 2 Surge overload current per diode Fig. 3 I2t versus time ( - 0 ms)
voltage drop per diode IFSM: Crest value. t: duration per diode

Fig. 4 Power dissipation versus direct output current and ambient temperature Fig. 5
Maximum forward current at
case temperature

Constants for ZthJC calculation:

Fig. 6 Transient thermal impedance per diode

i Rthi (K/W) ti (s)

94 0.024
0.556 0.07
2.25 5.8
6.3 8.5

Constants for ZthJK calculation:

i Rthi (K/W) ti (s)

94 0.024
0.556 0.07
2.25 5.8
6.3 8.5
0.9 28

IXYS reserves the right to change limits, test conditions and dimensions.

Re: What kind of diodes should I buy? (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by TomW on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 03:31:35 PM MST
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There is a CAPSLOCK key somewhere on your keyboard. Please use it to turn OFF the CAPS before posting again.

Might help to actually include a source for the parts in a post referencing them as a solution?

Tom

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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