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Sub 50 watt generator


By cookster666, Section Newbies
Posted on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 05:33:53 AM MST
sub 50 watt generator - low rpm

Hello,

I am looking for a generator capable of giving approximately 50watts at 200rpm. Any suggestions?

Andrew

Sub 50 watt generator | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: < 50 watt generator (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by ghurd on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 06:20:13 AM MST

While 50W does not sound like a lot, it will be a large machine to make 50W at 200RPM.
Or it will be fairly inefficient.

If you are looking for something small, I suggest looking for some way to deal with higher RPM.  Jumping up to 500RPM would make it easier, cheaper, and smaller to get 50W.

What will be providing the power to turn the generator?
G-
Ghurd.info



Re: < 50 watt generator (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by cookster666 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:59:55 AM MST

Hi,

Thanks for the quick response. We were already looking at a gearset to bring the output up to 200rpm so changing the gear ratio at this point would not be an issue. A small COTS solution for a generator would be preferred here. Unfortunately we cannot increase the turbine's rotational speed as we are dealing with a very low flow rate water turbine (flow of < 1m/s).

C.



Re: &amp;lt; 50 watt generator (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by gotwind2 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 08:42:15 AM MST

Item number 250514964486 over on eBay would do the job.
http://tinyurl.com/yfl93mh

as Ghurd mentioned, it needs to be fairly big to get that kind of power at such low revs.
It looks like a nice bit of kit, Chinese in origin I suspect.

Ben.

www.gotwind.org


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Re: &amp;amp;lt; 50 watt generator (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by ghurd on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:40:50 AM MST

I doubt that would do it.
The 'spin the Ametek' video looks like something, but many of the common Ameteks will run with <150ma at 15V.  Even if the Ametek was taking 500ma, thats still only about 7W, but I expect the seller tried different Ameteks until he found one that was dramatic.
The 'light the bulb' video is probably quite a bit less than 50W too, and it was turning faster than 200 by my count, and it looks like he was cranking that pretty hard.

Here is an ECM I connected to a 12V 25W.  Fully lights with about 100-120RPM(?), and spins with 1 finger.
Video Warning!  Low res and 12 seconds.
http://s701.photobucket.com/albums/ww20/ghurd1/ECM%20Conversion/?action=view&current=PICT0819.fl v

You do not mention any head, so I am guessing there is no head.
Slow flow is low power.  Unless the wheel is crazy wide.  
The gear box is going to have losses.  'Small' is going to have a Lot of losses.  Not much power left to charge a battery?

Small COTS?  The physics of efficiency pretty much rules out small and 50W at 200RPM, at the same time.
To get any suggestions for something COTS, we need to know the voltage.

"Ralph's Water Wheel" looks like it has more water speed.  
It is monstrous and only makes 150W, though I figure he'll get a bit more before he is done.
I am sure there is good info to be gleaned there.
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2009/10/9/191438/995

G-
Ghurd.info
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Re: &amp;amp;amp;lt; 50 watt generator (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by ghurd on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:21:28 AM MST

"only makes 150W" is related to only 3X more than the 50W.
A 150W hydro system would cover all my daily lighting, TV, and computer power... with a lot left over.
G-
Ghurd.info
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