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Persistance pays off CNC Blades


By letERblow, Section Wind
Posted on Sun Nov 01, 2009 at 06:44:53 PM MST
Seems to be the time for CNC Blades

First off,  a big thanks to this board and all who contribute, it's a great resource for us newbies. This seems to be the time for CNC blades so I thought it was a good time to share my experience.

After about years time, I finally have a set of three  matched CNC carved redwood blades to go with the dual rotor, 48 mag, 72 overlapping coil, AF alternator I've been building. The blades were quite smooth right off the machine and only required a little finish sanding to remove a few tool marks and clean up the edge where front meets back.




The blades were laminated up from clear redwood with varying lengths and widths to reduce the volume of wood to be removed. The finished blank tapered in width from 17 inches to 6 and from 6 to 1 inch in thickness.  The cutting was done in 5 steps, 1-rough cut front, 2- finish cut front , flip the blade,  3- rough cut back, 4- finish the back, 5- trim the root and drill mounting holes. Each carving step took about 6 hours, kinda long, but get it going then go do something else.



Rough cross cut




It has been quite the adventure to say the least. I had gained some knowledge of CNC with a 24 x 24 inch CNC plasma cutting table I made, and figured why not try a CNC router, and  what better excuse to build one than to have one big enough to carve out the 8 foot blades I wanted. With the CNC you can get as crazy as you want with convex and concave curves in airfoils. I chose the GOE222 airfoil for its high lift to drag ratio but it still has a fairly robust cross section. I am fairly proficient with drawing in 2-D but 3-D with its planes and faces was another world. Ended up using RHINO to draw up the 3-D blade profile. MeshCAM was the final choice for converting the drawing into G-code, it will not only follow the shape outline in the XY plane but can sense when the front starts to become the back so it stops the depth cut, saving a lot of cutting time. Much time and frustration was spent trying to get, free or cheap or demo, software to work with each other. A lot of their limitations did not surface until sawdust was flying, as luck would have it I only had to throw away one blade, thank God for putty.

The CNC router has come in handy for cutting out other parts as well, such as the mold for the stator and magnet disc spacer/fan. The CNC plasma cutter is great for the flat metal turbine parts too. It takes a bit of time to learn to use these tools effectively but the accuracy of the part is worth it.

Here is a shot of the stator before casting.



Magnet disk


Router details are
X -  travel 24",  ACME screw drive, 60 IPM
Y-  travel 97", 1/4" pitch timing belt set in a T rail, 80" IPM
Z-  travel 5",  ACME screw drive, 60 IPM
Machine control using KCAM with MaxStepper, GECKO Drives

Rough cut-  0.2" over size  - 3/8" depth per pass with 1/4" step over, 1/2" x 1" 2 flute straight cut router bit.
Finish cut- 1/16" step over, 1/2" bull nose (bowl carving) router bit.
bits are 1/4" shank, set in a 1/2" dia 4" long extension.

I dabble in pattern making and sand casting with aluminum which made this router design possible.

More blade, router and  stator detail pictures can be seen in my files.

Thanks again to all.

Persistance pays off CNC Blades | 14 comments (14 topical)

Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by brokengun on Sun Nov 01, 2009 at 09:59:00 PM MST

Those are some beautiful looking blades! Very nice work.

What voltage is that stator coil wound for out of curiosity?

I would love to have a set of those on my machine, hah.



Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by letERblow on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 08:08:15 PM MST

Brokengun;

My goal is a 220 V machine. With all the coils in the stator it preformed much better than my calculations and tests with one coil. I ended up wiring it with 12 coils per phase with 2 parallel star circuits. Open circuit voltage is 220v at 224 RPM. Load test with 32 ohm delta load at 220 RPM yielded 165 V at 5.5 Amps.

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 11:08:31 AM MST

24 pole.  Holy cow!  Love it!

Hope your insulation is good.  That voltage should be awesome!



Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by fabricator on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 02:24:46 PM MST

W....W.......W........WOW, absofreakinlutely spectacular!
I aint skeered a nuthin......Oh S%*T! What was that?!!!


Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Boss on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:47:07 PM MST

wowsa, my god, man, did you need to so completely out shine our cutting job? No seriously, that is one well thought out setup from the machine to make the coil mould, right down to the beautiful wood and the amazing design of the blades. That wind turbine ought to do some serious putting out.
Thank you for sharing

Brian Rodgers



Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by letERblow on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 08:32:12 PM MST

Boss;

Sorry, didn't mean to be a braggart or try to out shine any of the great work shown by others. I learned a long time ago to appreciate what others can do and especially to appreciate their willingness to show it to us. I use this as an inspiration and confidence that if others can do it I just might be able to also. I've also learned that ' pretty ' don't always perform.

Thanks to all for sharing and inspiring others.

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Boss on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 04:57:04 AM MST

Thanks man, anyway I was only teasing. I am so glad you posted. At the voltage you stated, what is the planned usage?
 
Brian Rodgers

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by letERblow on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:52:59 PM MST

initialy it will be  direct heat load ( water & space ) till I get a feel for if a direct connect line sync inverter is worth it.

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by cr8zy1van on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 11:43:06 AM MST

Awesome Machine(s)!

I have been drooling on my keyboard, looking at your machines! I have a couple questions about your CNC.
I am also in the process of setting up a CNC capable of carving blades, and hopefully some other neighborhood projects.
What size stepper motors are you running?
Could you show some more detail on your X axis, it looks like plain old regular pipe, instead of prescision ground round.
Any chance of showing more detail on your belt drive? I am limited to 6 ft because the acme rod im using wobbles badly any longer.
Your machine (and the beautifull resulting blades) are an inspiration for all of us!



Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by letERblow on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:55:08 PM MST

 X and Z axis are 425 oz Keling KL23H286-20-8b ( my  X and Y are swapped, Y is the long axis) Y axis is and old version of Oriental motor  PK266- about 110 oz with a 18 to 1 gear reduction.

Yes, the rails are plane black sch 40 pipe. Not very precision but worked out ok for me the gantry moves easily with no binding and I havn't noticed any slop.


The 3/8 wide timing belt is layed in a 1/16" deep slot milled in the top of the pipe.
Looking back, having the belt on the top of is not the best place as sawdust & chips land on it.

A 1" dia drive sprocket runs up and down the flat belt.


Some systems I have seen use a belt anchored at each end with two idlers and the belt looping  up over the sprocket.

There are some more detailed photos in MY Files section.
Good luck with your project.


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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by cr8zy1van on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 10:27:22 PM MST

Thanks a lot for all the good information! I noticed your gantry is made from cast aluminum, did you cast them yourself?

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by letERblow on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:06:00 PM MST

Yes, I did cast the router parts. I have been doing sand and lost foam casting for several years. It to is a very interesting and fun hobby. Casting, opens up a whole new avenue of possibilities in building your own stuff. There are some photos of the router molds in the My Files section.  So many fun project possibilities , too little time.

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Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by willib on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 09:04:26 PM MST

How did i miss this? Oh well.
You have done a super job with the blades, i love the red and white redwood.
Your Stator is really cool too.
What size wire did you use on it?
.
Bill
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Carpe Ventum (seize the wind)


Re: Persistance pays off CNC Blades (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by kiszka6911 on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:26:07 PM MST

I am new to the forum but have been working in small wind for about a year.  These are great looking blades, would consider making sets for other that you could sell the help fund your other projects?

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