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By windspeed, Section Hydro
Posted on Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 11:57:26 AM MST
low head

Any opinions on this system would be appreciated

http://www.reuk.co.uk/Low-Head-Waterwheel-Invention.htm

http://www.beck-mickle-hydro.co.uk/index.php?id=bmh_news

Windspeed

bucket hydro | 7 comments (7 topical)

Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by marv on Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 07:01:48 AM MST

Here's another link for ya.
http://www.rexresearch.com/gilmartin/wo2006082403.pdf



Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by scottsAI on Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 09:58:36 AM MST

Yes, LOL.

Design is a water wheel on a flex chain!
Why in the world would someone waste money on a patent?

Low head go with a Banki turbine.
MUCH simpler to home build, efficiency as good.
Many fewer parts to fail or wear out.

Have fun,
Scott.



Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by windspeed on Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 03:12:14 PM MST

Thank you for that Scott,
as I thought
can I ask you what  width and diameter of a Banki wheel would you suggest for a head of 2 ft with a flow of 200 us. gpm.
also what size of vane

Windspeed

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Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by scottsAI on Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 07:18:56 PM MST

windspeed,

Otherpower has a nice article making Banki turbine.

Most of what I know comes from:
http://agungchynta.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/crossflow-turbine.pdf
And other studying:
http://www.cd3wd.com/CD3WD_40/VITA/BANKITUR/EN/BANKITUR.HTM

Calculating power:
http://www.reuk.co.uk/Calculation-of-Hydro-Power.htm
Looks like 44 watts

Detail most often missed is the water feeding the wheel requires a Nozzle.
A nozzle converts potential energy to kinetic energy.
Water pressure should be at Head pressure just before the nozzle.
The nozzle area must be smaller than the pipe feeding it.

The dia determines RPM at power, smaller = Faster.
For this low heat and power, the smaller dia is important.
Shoot for 4 to 6 inches max.
Low head, want as small as you can make.

Consider building it out of PVC. The edge of the vanes must be a sharp edge.

Have fun,
Scott.

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Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by windspeed on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 03:26:47 PM MST

Thanks scott

I have looked at all these sites
maths for working out width of nozzle seems to ask for runner outside diameter,how are you to know what this is

Formulas for principal Michell turbine dimensions:

([B.sub.1]) = width of nozzle = 210 x flow
--------------------------------------------
Runner outside diameter x [square root] head

= 210 x 2.8 = 9.8 inches.........HOW IS THIS CAN YOU EXPLAIN
---------
12 x [square root] 25

([B.sub.2]) = width of runner between discs - ([B.sub.1]) = 1/2 to 1 inch

= 9.8 + 1 inch = 10.8 inches

Windspeed

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Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by scottsAI on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 06:53:45 PM MST

Windspeed,

Checking your math; using 12" turbine?
For this head too large.
Expecting turbine to be like 2 foot long.
The flow is large, yet the head is small.
At 44 watts, turbine will not have much torque on it, using smaller dia should not be a problem.

Maybe this will help you:
I came across these years ago, made the error of not keeping a copy.
Took Way, way to long to find again:

Spread sheet may help:
http://www.planetarypower.com.au/info/microhydro/WalshHydro.xls
I did not check this, sheet opened...

http://www.planetarypower.com.au/info/microhydro/crossflow_design.pdf
Now have my copies stored on my HDD.

Have fun,
Scott.

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Re: bucket hydro (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by thirteen on Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 10:15:07 AM MST

This idea was brought up in 1988-89 in a science fair in Idaho by some students. But theirs was for a dam being proposed on a river.They were trying to power a pumping station for irrigation. They ended up using water wheel paddles in the river and it turned a pump.  The idea seems like it works but you would be limeted in the areas you could use it mainly because of icing problems that it would have in some areas. How long it would last is another question?  



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