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Battery Monitor and Inverter Spikes


By Colaman, Section Controls
Posted on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 03:38:12 AM MST
A problem and a work-around - suggestions welcome.

I've just installed a Victron BMV-600 battery monitor into my system. Works great, plenty of numbers to look at, etc - just one niggly problem :
  • My 12V/2kW autostart sinewave inverter pulses once a second to see if there's anything worthwhile out there to power.
  • The battery monitor seems to sample and update the display about every 1/4 or 1/2 of a second.
  • With the inverter on standby, the monitor picks up pulses of approx 7-8 amps and can sometimes synch up with the inverter to read that 7 or 8 amps nearly consistently.
  • This makes the overnight discharge (with all AC loads off) measured by the monitor to be in the order of 30Ah or so, which seems rather high.
The inverter manual states that it's standby power is approx 60mA - of course, this is averaged out. Putting my scope across the shunt shows some pretty big current pulses (sharp 20-30A spikes) for 5 or 10ms as the inverter pulses the AC system once a second. Judging from that, it's clearly not drawing 30Ah over the 8 or so hours that I'm in bed.

I presume that the battery monitor has a pretty high input resistance (500kOhms +) so it can sample the 500A/50mV shunt voltage fairly accurately, even after passing it through the 10 metres of skinny 4-core telephone cable that is supplied with the unit.

So to help alleviate this issue, I am considering putting a smallish resistor (1k-10k) in series with the positive side of the shunt connection and after the resistor, a smallish (10uF) capacitor across the positive/negative shunt sense wires. This should (in theory) smooth out the quick spikes a little and get some more sensible readings, whilst still being able to accurately measure the larger, more sedate loads. The smallish-value series resistance should be fairly insignificant compared to the largish value of the monitor's input circuitry, so things shouldn't really be thrown out of whack there.

Unfortunately, I have no idea of the smallish-ness of the resistor/capacitor combo needed to get a good smoothing effect on 5mV pulses that only last 10-20 milliseconds.

So, before I go out and stuff about with this, does anyone have any suggestions?
I did think about going down to the nearest bling-bling car sound shop and getting a 1F capacitor to put across the inverter terminals so it could smooth the spikes as needed, but they're rather expensive.

Cheers
Dave

Battery Monitor and Inverter Spikes | 3 comments (3 topical)

Re: Battery Monitor and Inverter Spikes (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by rossw on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 12:56:57 AM MST

Without knowing the input impeadance accurately, its not really possible to give you a nailed-down answer, however if the pulses are as short as you say, I would probably start out with a 1K series resistor and a 10uF cap across the input the the meter (ie, from ground to the NON-SHUNT side of the 1K resistor)

As you have a CRO, it will make things much easier to test. Start with said 1K/10uF and monitor with your CRO. If the spikes are gone then you may be slightly over-filtered. Try with a smaller cap. 4.7uF perhaps. If you still had a decent spike, either use a larger cap (100uF) and/or a larger series resistor (10K).

Ideally you want to just see the spike on the CRO. JUST. If its gone completely, you will likely have an unacceptable response speed for everything else.



Re: Battery Monitor and Inverter Spikes (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by GWatPE on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 02:51:06 AM MST

A 1k and 10uF cap will have a time constant of 10mS.  

approx 67% of the step change voltage will result on the capacitor in 10mS.  

I would opt for 5-6Time constant time.  5k6 with 10uF.  Use a 0.1uF ceramic in parallel with a 10uF electro. Sounds like the current pulse has sharp edges.  The CRO check will confirm things.

The monitor will probably still pick up the filtered pulse.

The inverter will probably have a phantom load sensitivity setting.  Select a higher level and this should reduce the tendency to turn on.  My selectronic inverter has a standby current of 50mA, and on certain loads at close to the threshold can cause the inverter to try and fire up and then turn back off again, with high transient current pulses.

Gordon.
be more energy aware



Re: Battery Monitor and Inverter Spikes (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Colaman on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 08:28:04 PM MST

Thanks for the suggestions - I'll go and have a bit of a tinker.



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