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Updates and pics on my Lenz II


By rfrink, Section Wind
Posted on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 08:16:58 PM MST
building and testing the Alternator

Just a few more updates on My LenzII.  Everything is complete and it's ready to go up in the wind. But before I do that, I wanted to benchmark the alternator.

This is my 2nd alternator. The first didn't meet my expectations in regards to craftsmanship. The first was based on an 8" rotor disk with 12 of Ed's wedge mags. I really struggled to get the 9 coils fitted in place. Those coils were 65 turns of 2x 18ga. After a disasterous potting process, I took waht I learned and tried again.

The new alternator was built on larger 9" rotor disks, and I bumped the turns to 70 per coil, and they were wound with 8 strands of 24 ga instead of 2 strands of 18 ga.

Just for fun, I compared coils, both 70 turns, one with 2x 18 ga and the other with 8x 24 ga. (see below)

They came out nearly identical in size, but the biggest diefference was that the 8X 24 ga is very soft and flexible.

Even with the softer coils, and moving up to a 9" rotor disk, I still had troubles getting all 9 of them packed into the magnets circle.  Before winding the coils, I used a test coil to set the pin spacing on my Lenz coil winder.  I wound the coil, then checked it's fit into a gauge, unwound it, adjusted the winder, rewound, rechecked..and so on.  After a few iterations, I felt like everything was going to fit nicely.  Which it did for the most part.

I cobbled up an assembly fixture which gave me an extra set of hands for taping the coils together:

One issue that I wanted to resolve on this stator was to get rid of the loose wires dangling out of the casting.  As Murphy would have it, they are just asking to be damaged and rendering the stator useless.  So, I made some stator "terminal buttons" which were cast with the coils in polyester resin.

The buttons were turned out of brass, knurled, drilled and tapped with 10-24 threads.

Then they were soldered onto the output legs of the coils:

Once everything was set in the mold,  the buttons were bolted in place through the bottom and the assembly was potted with polyester resin.

This was my second casting attempt.  It's gets easier with experience!!  A lesson learned on my first attaempt was to mix up more resin than you think you'll need. Resin is cheap compared to the time and money spent up to that point...so don't run out when you start to pour...because it's impractical to mix more in the middle of the process.   Don't Skimp on the resin!!!!  It's OK to throw out the surplus.

I was very pleased when I opened the mold and saw the results.

The terminal buttons came out beautifully!!

Another thing that I did on this attempt was that I printed a lable that was potted with the coils. The lable reads: "70 turns,  8x 24ga.  06/24/09".

You can faintly see it in the photo above.

Now I can read the details on this stator in the future when I've forgotten everything.

Next, I mounted the alternator in a milling machine with the rotors being driven by the milling machine spindle.  This machine has a variable speed drive and I can adjust the rpms on the fly from about 70-3000rpm.

I measured the DC voltage from the rectifier and plotted it against the Rotor speed in RPMs for my 2 different alternators.

The 65 turn alternator is in blue and the 70 turn is in red.  The blue (65t) reached 12V at 85 rpm and the red (70t) reached 12V at 75 rpm. So, I think I'll start charging at slower speeds. I think this is good...and will allow me use a larger range of wind speed with a MPPT controller.

Other than making electricity, I really don't know what to test.  Being mounted in the milling machine, I can drive it at a constant rpm regardless of the electrical load...and in any speed from about 70-3000 rpm. However, 300 rpm seems plenty fast.

Is there anything you guys would like to see on the test stand before I put it on the Lenz and into the wind?

Well, that's where I'm at today. I think I'm going to wait until the weekend to hoist everything up on the tower.

-Rob

Updates and pics on my Lenz II | 8 comments (8 topical)

Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Bruce S on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 03:12:32 PM MST

-Rob;
Besides the voltage tests have you taken any current readings? Have you done load testing going into a battery ?

Looking forward to updates :-)

Bruce S




Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by rfrink on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:57:46 AM MST

Thanks for the kind words!!  I'm having a blast with this project!!

I don't really have a "load" for testing. I don't have batteries yet.  I have an inverter that I hooked directly to the DC output..and then I ran a shop lamp for fun. But this doesn't really work very well because the inverter will fault if the incoming DC voltage falls outside of a certain range...something like 10-14 volts DC.  Using a shop lamp on the AC output of the inverter for a load, when I turn the lamp on, the DC voltage drops below the threshold and the inverter shuts off. Sometimes I can turn the lamp on, while ramping up the rotor speed to increase the DC voltage in anticipation of the load and the system will run.  I figured that I was abusing the inverter doing this so I stopped.  I found a couple auto headlights in the garage at home, so I'm going to take them to the shop and light them up. But I have no idea how much power they take to run.

So...I guess it time to find some batteries.  I'm overwhelmed with the choices and tech info right now. We have a local "Battery Warehouse" retailer that I've thought about visiting...or perhaps a local industrial supplier for a forklift battery...or golf cart battery....  My local scrap metal dealer had a truck load of batteries that were scrapped from a powered wheelchair company.. maybe another resource....Heck, I'm not sure....(it's too much to think about..hee hee)

The terminal buttons are a piece of cake to make in production. My shop/company has CNC machinery that can run these by the thousands....but yes, there's no reason why other options wouldn't work either...such as a rectangular block.  They were very easy to solder with a propane torch. I wraped the coil wire around the button and fluxed everything...then applied heat to the button ony..not the wire. Once the button was hot enough, the solder flowed beautifully.  When cooled, I used solvent and a soft wire brush to remove the flux, scale, and oil residue in preparation for potting.

Gotta run right now...more to come...

-Rob

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Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by richhagen on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 03:53:05 PM MST

The buttons look great.  I had thought about doing something similar as I also have a lathe.  Any trouble soldering to the larger brass stock?  Looks great so far.  

I am not sure what the bump is from 100 to 120 rpm, but the output voltage looks about linear like it should be.  If I were grid tying, I would probably opt for fewer turns to maximize my output at higher winds when there is more power available so as to maximize my overall energy generation.  For battery charging, I would likely opt for more turns, as additional power in high winds from using fewer turns of larger wire would likely be dumped most of the time anyway, and I would be more worried about keeping my batteries charged in times of lower winds, so the earlier charging, even though there is not much power to be had would be more valuable.  Just an opinion, Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'



Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by rfrink on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 07:05:22 AM MST

Great info!  Thank you Rich!

I think the "bump" is from the non-linear aspect of the milling machine's spindle drive and RPM dial. ...just guessing though.

-Rob


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Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by fabricator on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 06:47:59 PM MST

The buttons look great, It just occured to me that rectangular blocks might work well, say, 3/8 x 1, that way they are never going to spin in the casting.
I aint skeered a nuthin......Oh S%*T! What was that?!!!


Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by TomW on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 07:51:37 PM MST

Square blocks seems to be less steps at least to my inexperienced metalworking self.

Embedded terminal connections is a great idea, IMHO

Tom

Ignarus can exsisto rememdium. Sardus est forever


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Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 08:15:47 PM MST

Like the terminals.

I'd have brought out the other ends of the coils, for a total of six terminals, allowing delta-Y switching or strapping, rather than commit the stator to Y connection.  But that's just me.

I've seen similar knurled nuts for terminal strips.  Only knurled on one side of the slot.  But it would do the job and is mass produced rather than having to be home brewed.  Assuming we could find a supplier.  Is something to look for.



Re: Updates and pics on my Lenz II (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Boss on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 03:32:12 PM MST

Silly question, but what did you use to make that graph?
Your project and presentation is tip top, very inspiring, thanks

Brian Rodgers



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