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finnsawyer

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Black Holes and The Big Bang
« on: July 05, 2004, 11:33:46 AM »
This leads to the thought that space may have existed before the Big Bang.  The proto universe before the Big Bang was then a black hole.  At some point it exploded. Why?  Well, if we consider Einstein's famous equation: E = mc^2,  we find that the left hand side involves radiant energy that has no gravitational field while the right hand side involves mass that has a gravitational field.  We conclude that when matter is converted to energy there is a corresponding decrease in the gravitational field.  We know of a few examples where this process takes place;  nuclear fusion and matter anti-matter annihilation.  Its also possible that such a reaction can take place within a black hole.  If enough matter is converted to energy the black hole's gravitational field would collapse and the black hole would explode.  This would likely be a probabilistic process dependent on the mass of the black hole.  Hence universe sized black holes are more likely to explode.  This is not inconsistent with current cosmological ideas, which state that immediately after the Big Bang space was filled with radiant energy.  For a time this energy interacted to create matter and anti-matter.  A sort of balance ensued until space cooled enough that only matter anti-matter annihilation occurred.  At the end (mysteriously) only matter remained.  Not so mysterious if the original proto universe consisted of a black hole of "normal" matter.      
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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2004, 07:50:17 PM »
so as all stars turn into black holes and the black holes collect together into one do they have enough gravity to reverse the "dark energy" effect and pull the universe back together to the begining? sort of like the big bounce? so I'll be able to find my lost wallet?
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finnsawyer

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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 08:54:38 PM »
Hard to say.  Space may be unbounded and filled with universes like ours or even anti-matter ones.  Maybe instead of a big bounce its a big mixing where black holes from many universes combine to eventually form a new universe.  According to present stellar evolution theory space is filled with countless black holes as the cores of short lived massive suns collapse into such.  Also no matter how far out (or back in time) they look they see galaxies.
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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2004, 09:00:47 AM »
Here's something more to chew on.  According to cosmologists the ubiquitous microwave radiation that surrounds us has been stretched by a factor of 1100 since it started as light energy after the big bang. This is the energy left over after it had cooled too much to become matter.  This was very hot radiant energy.  When light is stretched it loses energy.  So where did all this stupendous energy go?  Note that the change in the spacial distribution of energy goes as (1100)^4 a rather large number.  Integrated over the volume of the universe we're talking about an astronomical amount of energy.  One wonders if this energy was converted to dark matter by some unknown process.  Since dark matter is found between galaxies, it's in the right place as most of the stretching of the light would have taken place between galaxies.  This could be another way for energy to be converted to mass.

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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2004, 10:04:55 AM »
The original model of a black hole was that all the matter was concentrated at the center and had an infinite density.  This was something that I never bought into for various reasons.  My model required the existence of various physical processes within the black hole to allow the big bang to occur.  Matter had to have some finite distribution.  It has now been reported in "Sky and Telescope" that Steven Hawkins and the Spring Theorists have concluded that the matter in a black hole is not concentrated at the center but rather distributed around the center.  It's density is finite.  They were forced to this conclusion by the realization that nature must preserve information about what goes into the black hole.  That is, if normal matter goes into the black hole then as the black hole evaporates the stuff coming out must also be normal matter.  This ties in very well with my model.  Its nice to see one's ideas vindicated.  The question now is whether they will conclude that a sudden violent end to a black hole is possible.
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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2004, 09:05:10 PM »
Oops!  I meant String Theorists.  These damn errors keep creeping in.  Sorry.
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Re: Black Holes and The Big Bang
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2005, 11:46:49 AM »
Picture the possible multiple universes as a giant bucket of marbles.  The are places where the marbles touch and places they dont.  When the black hole stretchs through the many layers of the space time continuim they would eventually break through to the next universe or into an empty space, open up and create what we would call a worm hole. If this black hole ran into another star it would explode. If a star ran into it, it would be like cutting a hole in a pipe (the path to the bottom of the black hole) and then it would create another black hole.
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