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hiker

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gas to electric moped
« on: October 01, 2004, 03:59:14 AM »
picked up a old 1980 moped-

the points were all mangled on it-someone tried to tear it apart and screwed up the points--oh well--can order some--meantime i had a 300watt 12v. motor laying around..

made a motor mount out of 3/4" plywood--threw it on the bike..

9-11 mph. on the flat..

i think the gear ratio is about right becuase it dosnt go much faster on a slight

decline..

just need a bigger motor-or more effinte motor - one with neo. mags would work a lot

better..the one i have now is not a pm motor-maybe thats the problem-the coils are

most likely robbing some power..

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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2004, 04:01:50 AM »
the way it was...

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Harry Luubovv

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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2004, 12:30:35 PM »
Hi I made the photo clearer here so we can see the engine part most importantly. I know you don't mind.

Thanks,

Harry.

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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2004, 04:20:13 AM »
You need a good Pulse Width Modulator between the motor and the battery. This will, at bare minimum, cut your power usage in half and keep the same power to the wheel.


The pwm is a bank of parallel power transistors (2n3055's are good, 6 for 300w) and a pulse controller for that bank. You need a pulse-control circuit that has independant frequency and duty-cycle settings.


You need about 20amps worth of 400v diodes across the motor connections REVERSE BIASED. This keeps the emf inside the motor and not out trashing your transistors.


The battery positive goes to the motor. The motor negative goes to the common collectors on the power transistors. The emitters go to battery negative.


Put your scope across the motor connections so that you can see the voltage that will appear across the motor.


Your scope will show you what's happening. Turn the pwm frequency down. Then send a slow train of single pulses to the motor.


Adjustment #1: A properly tuned pulse-width

You should see a downward "ramp". Adjust the pulse-width for the maximum ramp length without allowing it to become a DC flat-line. This means the pulse is cutting off JUST BEFORE the motor begins to take steady DC from the battery. This is the absolute maximum pulse-width that should be used.


Adjustment #2: Maximum pulse-frequency 50% duty

Now turn the pulse frequency up until you have very close to a 50:50 on:off ratio. Let the OFF time be slightly longer than the ON time. LOCK the FREQUENCY of the PWM right there.


The throttle is now wired so that it varies the PULSE-WIDTH between ZERO and MAXIMUM on the PWM.


No matter what the pulse-width, the locked frequency means that the motor windings are always operating at very near their own internal resonant frequency, maximizing efficiency.

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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2004, 04:37:25 AM »
no scope--isn't there somthing off the shelve i could buy-like a used controler[throttle]

from a used scooter..?
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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2004, 06:02:40 PM »
A trigger from a cordless drill might be a good option.


Careful engaging reverse while moving - you might light up the rear wheel!..;-)

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Re: gas to electric moped
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2004, 02:08:20 PM »
Yes. There is a way to tune it without a scope.


First, a simple PWM can be made with a 555 timer in astable oscillator mode.


There are a bunch of programs out there to tell you what resistors you'll need to use to determine the "on" and "off" pulse-times.


The "on" or "hi" time on the pin 3 output is when the transistor will be on.


The "lo" or "off" state is the transistor off time.


You can set the two pretty much independantly by using two potentiometers for fine adjustments.


In any case, here's what you do once you have the adjustable PWM wired up.


Take the motor and drive and alternator with it. Put a heavy load on the alternator output and monitor the power into the load with steady DC into the motor.


Then set the pulse-width as close to 50% duty as you can and adjust the "off" time until you see the alternator load losing power. The tweak it back up so that the load is again fully powered.


This will be the maximum throttle point. Fix the "off" time resistance at that point.


The throttle is the "on" time resistance. you should be able to go from full 50% duty right down to 0% with that one variable resistance.


As you reduce that input pulse-width, the load power should be dropping off.


Slap it all onto the bike and go ride around. :)

« Last Edit: October 06, 2004, 02:08:20 PM by Roamer195 »