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Jerry

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F&P mods.
« on: January 01, 2005, 07:40:04 PM »
I aquiered the F&P from our good freind Tom W. Thanks Tom.


The F&P has 42 poles. I wiered the 2 coils directly accross from each other in siries. This means that if you spinn the rotor a a specific speed and you get 5 volts from one coil when you add these 2 coils togeter in siries you get 10 volt. They must be wired corectly or you get 0 volts.


The reason I chose to do the coils directly accross from each other is these 2 and these 2 only can either be 0 or 180 degrees phase or exactly in phase or 180 out of phase with each other.


If you  choose a coil not directly accross you'll never get and exact phase relationship.


This means there can be 21 coil groups or phases. So this alt becomes 21 phases.


This requiers 42 doides. The alt is wired star. This then gives an each phase voltage potential of 10v. However star is a siries coinection of coils. this then geve a voltage of 20v.


Some would say that 42 diodes would equal a voltage drop of .5 v per diode X 42 = 21 volts. But it does not work that way.


If you perelell diodes the voltage drop remains at .5v. If you siries diodes voltage dropo adds per diode. All 42 diodes ar basicly in perelell. Or 2 groups of 21 diodes  or the same as any muli phase alt.


The diodes i've used are 6 amp plastic body 400v prv. They are very cheap.


6 amps X 42= 252 amps x 15 volts= 3780 watts. During the 1000 watt wind test the littel diodes didn't even warm up.


The benifit to this mod I belive is and I think. The original 42 coils are wire 3 phase. I think there are 3 sets of 14 coils that are wiered in star? This would make for 28 coils wired in siries.


This is a way miss match to what we want from this motor Now become wid generator.


The stock coil arangement would be better suited for higher voltage fewer amps.


I don't feel the stock coil arangement is suited for 12 volt use.


I did not round off or modify the laminations. My hope was to build a blade that will overcome the startup cogging isues and there by save that littel extra power that would be lost in decogging.


My uncompleted foam blades are my idea. However they are way off from being done. Life is just way to busy.


Now if all goes well some pix. First a template to know were to place the diodes.


 





Pc board befor drill.

Ok go to next post.

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Jerry

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2005, 12:41:26 PM »
Next post.

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2005, 12:50:17 PM »
Solder side of PC board.



Diode side of PC board.



diode board resting in F&P.



Lakota blade next to F&P.



Lakota blade only.



Lakota and F&P.


I've not taken a piture of the completed F&P mod. I'll do that a littel later and try to post it.


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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2005, 12:59:06 PM »
You can tell there wernt no spel check on this story. Sorry in a big hurry?

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2005, 01:56:29 PM »
More pix if they work.

PC board all wired up.



Getting ready to fly.













returned after wind test.

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2005, 03:37:36 PM »
what kind of power did you see after your test drive??are those pvc blades?

whats your handle ?  try 37LSB --37 works great in the winter months..

my 19.5.. 5/8s ground plane covers most of the states and around the world..

right now the 19.5 gp is down--chimmy blew down it was bolted to --it was made from

cement blocks..had a totale lack of morter to keep it togeather-no iron...

    just happend to spot your ears in the pict........
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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2005, 06:52:36 PM »
Hi Hiker


The blade are my ABS plastic on extentions. This is a 55" blade.


 5 mph 0 watts



  1. mph 0 watts
  2. mph 127.5 watts
  3. mph 195 watts
  4. mph 360 watts
  5. mph 450 watts
  6. mph 837.5 watts
  7. mph 1022.4 watts


I havn't done the decogging thing yet. I think the Lakotas will do 1000 watts at 30 mph?


Papa frog  and I havn't been on the air for years. I do have SSB and run barefoot.


I might get back on in a few years. To busy with this puter and wind power and life.


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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2005, 08:00:44 PM »
10-4
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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2005, 08:33:07 PM »
Thanks, Jerry for this. This is your original "porcupine" mod, but this time you are explaining the wiring, which is beaut!


You are right, the F&P is a 3 times 14 coils wired in Star. OK for high voltage delivery over a long distance and rectifying thereafter. Some chaps need to get away from trees and then the high-voltage 3 phase from the F&P is a godsend.


Turning by hand I can get up to 70V on one phase or 14 coils.


Keep up the good work. Have a look at Randy Burmeister's site, he wires it differently and Littleford in Oz has a site also with nice laser cut parts for sale. I may get the two F&P sites mixed up, but the names are correct.


dominic

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2005, 07:49:19 AM »
Jerry;


Really glad to see you have put that motor to good use. Very inventive diode cluster.


Cheers.


TomW

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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2005, 08:56:11 AM »
Thanks Tom. I coudn't have done it with out chya.


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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2005, 03:55:36 PM »
 Jerry

I'm trying to click on the "Airheads" link in your comments. But it has'nt loaded for me in 6 months ?
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Re: F&P mods.
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2005, 10:57:36 PM »
Hi Woof.


I just clicked on Airheads and it works. Its not my web site. Its a freinds (Dave).


Try going to www.dplusv.com that should take you to airheads. I just tryed that and that worked also.


I don't no nutin bout this puter stuff.


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