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Shadow

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Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« on: June 23, 2005, 02:23:42 PM »
 About 30 miles SE from me here in Southern Sask. Canada, our Power company is putting up 84 of these huge wind turbines, they already have over 30 up and running about 30 miles west. These  next 84 will produce 150 megawatts, and make it Canadas largest wind production location. On Friday June 17, 3 small tornados converged into one and swept through their campsite, and two or three turbine sites.Tornados are extremely rare here,just been the last few years that I've even heard of them even forming let alone touch down. This 300 foot- 300 ton Crane was no match as it toppled over. It moved a large box-car sized container and bent a turbine blade over it.I just managed to get a few pictures before security showed up. The destruction was unbelievable. If only we could harness all that Energy!

hopefully they had insurance.

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these blades are huge!

wonder if they keep a spare set on hand

hope these pictures show up

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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 10:31:13 AM »
Shadow - excellent pictures, smart processing plus smooth egress from the site!


I've only seen horizontal tube clouds in my 7 yrs in Minnesota, the biggest was horizon to horizon, about 500 foot above me and roared like a formation of 747's full of fuel on take-off. 8 tornados touched down 3-5 miles south of where I was that day as the tube cloud kept shearing off sections. Here in the USA's Midwest it's been awhile since the last miles-wide, scour the turf and soil down 2 foot & run for 300-mile tornado - the same weather that is popping up tornados in new places seems to also be keeping their size down and breaking them up early in our tornado alley.


Harnessing tornado energy; hmnn - when there is finally built a ladder into low-earth orbit using the base sections as cyclonic turbine housing?

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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 03:17:42 PM »
Shadow


What about the poor  fellow who was in the container at the time.


Fellow

Hey boss sorry about the mess in the new out house .


Boss

New out house ?  We don't have a new out house .


Fellow

We do now .


The good thing is that no one was hurt.


I have been a  volunteer weather spotter for about 25 years here in Ohio.


I have seen two touch downs. And that is two to many in my book.


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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 03:25:29 PM »
Awesome Pictures Shadow!


Too bad the event wasn't caught on video, must've been quite a sight. It's very fortunate that the boom rigging on the crane failed and kept the whole crane itself from going over, but I'll bet the operator bailed out and ran for his life anyway, I know I would! After all that's what insurance is for!


Great Post!


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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 06:39:42 PM »
nice pics!

Isn't it great to see mother nature take some of her own back.............sadly the geriatric old duck should have been aiming at a coal fired power station instead.

I've stumbled across this while researching solar chimneys, might interest anyone planning to tie down a tornado: http://vortexengine.ca/
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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 08:42:56 PM »
What day did this happen and had they finished puting it up when the tornardo struck or were they just in the process. Apperently the blades were all put together and still laying on the ground and the wind just picked them up and tossed them around? Hu?

P.S. GREAT PICTURES
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Re: Too Windy for a Wind Turbine!
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2005, 10:19:44 AM »
 This happened June 17/05. They are just in the process of assembling them, they have most of the base/towers up and blades and nacelles are arriving by train and moved to location. There are at least three cranes  just starting to lift blades and components into place. None are fully operational yet at this site,but alot of towers have a set of blades laying beside them waiting. Theres an endless caravan of cement trucks everyday, the roads going out there will have to be totally rebuilt. I wonder if that was included in their budget?
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Harnessing tornado energy.
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2005, 10:49:25 AM »
Tornado energy has the same "harness" problem as lightning:  There's a lot of energy there, but only for a short time.  It takes a lot of expensive equipment to extract it and you don't get enough to pay it off.


Some of the L5 Society looked into windpower a few decades back, though, and concluded that you COULD do something with hurricaines.


By judicious modulation of ocean surface heating and/or evaporation you should be able to "Park" a hurricaine on (or just offset from) an island covered with wind turbines designed for the energy levels involved.  Lightweight orbital structures redirecting a fraction of the sunlight from one part of the ocean to another could do it pretty easily - possibly as a directed side-effect of their own energy collection for the space-solar-power scenairos they were mainly interested in.  (It only takes a little intervention to steer hurricaines:  You're just tweaking the wind direction a bit.)


Think about a wind farm with a cross-section as wide as a small island and hundreds of feet high, in essentially permanent 100+ MPH winds (or at least half-year - and build another on the other side of the equator), and remember that the windspeed/energy curve is a cube function.  A gross of nuke plants aren't in the ballpark.


Essentially what you're doing is turning a significant fraction of the ocean into a solar collector - with much lower material cost than paving it with equipment.


While shipping in the nearby area would be essentially impossible (except by submarine or by flying in over the storm and landing in the eye), the tethered hurricaine would also tend to "suck up" the vorticity of smaller ones, reducing (and controlling) the hazard from "wild" hurricaines on the rest of the ocean.


I don't know if anybody's done further studies on the idea now that we have supercomputing power good enough to model it properly.  In the current political climate the environmentalists would freak out at the mere thought and some government would block the project.  But it's interesting to imagine.  B-)

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