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domwild

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Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« on: March 13, 2006, 03:07:38 AM »
Hi,


Second prototype. Long promised but never delivered: The floating hub

and other bits.


Not wishing to be rude I called it the "Flakota" for the tail.


First small picture: The test pole (3.5m or 10') and a tree next to it - lots of eddies.


The pole consists of a 2" pipe stuck over a fence post (USA T-bar), no guy wires.





More photos and explanations follow.

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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2006, 08:20:07 PM »
Hi,


Floating hub: On the 25.0mm shaft of the F&P sit two 25x42x12mm bearings inside a 1.5" pipe. The pipe is 41.9mm ID so without lathe I filed the extra 0.1mm (ouch!) to fit the bearings. It is only a prototype.


The 1.5" pipe has a screwed on flange with four holes. It is a tapered BSP thread for the flange. The flange connects the PVC prop. via two steel bars. This answers one question from a member, namely how does one connect a round pipe to a flat hub!


A bolt on the flange or prop hub hits a crude piece of steel connected to the F&P shaft. The third prototype will have a spring loaded hinge. With spring loading it may be possible to turn on 14 coils (one phase) of the 42 coils without vibrating the prop to bits. Or it may ameliorate the shock load from the star-delta switching - am dreaming on.


At best, the prop will turn a full 360 degrees before hitting and turning the axle.



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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2006, 08:26:48 PM »
Hi,


Frontal view. PVC pipe is 250mm or 10" mains pressure Aussie water pipe. The greater dia. at hub is the muff the next pipe slots into. Prop is 1.5m radius. A few degrees at tip and 20 or so deg. at root.


Two flat bars connect prop to hub. No "Jerry-style" sandwich as yet, just two 5mm bolts connect the bars to the prop.





More to follow.

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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2006, 08:42:20 PM »
Hi,


The mounting of an F&P. This is a smaller 90x90mm (3 5/8") square tube but am building a larger 100x100 mm (4") mount as the smaller one flexed.


A flange bearing is shown loose. In previous pictures the flange bearing is on the inside of the tube. Once again, flexing will mean I mount it closer to prop on the outside of the tube.


The turned-back F&P plastic/alu bearing holder is shown in white. A base plate is welded to the tube.


The 25.0mm shaft of the F&P meant cheaper metric ball bearings and flange bearings could be purchased, at least here in Oz. This flange bearing is allowing misalignment of the shaft as the bearing itself can move more than 30 (?) degrees. They are used in go-cart axles.


No performance figure is available yet re RPM, V and Amps. Made the mistake of measuring two phases at once, which the meter surely cannot read as the two phases are out of phase! Read 120V when the whooshing stall was heard.


The test pole is not high enough, two props gives problems during yawing and the closeness of the house and trees causes turbulence but it is a start. At least the cogging F&P is starting and turning like mad in the strong catabatic (hill) winds.




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georgeodjungle

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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2006, 05:24:58 PM »
first that's not pvc it's sdr'

it's a close cousin.

actually better.

but thats o.k.

looks to me your blades are way to close to your mast.

@ 5' each should be at least 18" a way.

other than that looks realy good.

what are you going to do about the sun & water?
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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 12:43:47 AM »
George,


Thanks for the hint re distance. I had one lot of props broken, fortunately just both tips got taken.


Water: Have to ask "commanda" what she meant by "conformal spray" for the copper windings. Baby bath was suggested by michael from ecoinnovation to keep the sun and rain out. Here in Oz it is summer (30 deg.C) at the moment.


Sun: Found PVC primer at a Bunnings shop. Then silvery or arctic white paint over that for the prop and the F&P.


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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 01:07:48 AM »
Conformal coating. Weatherproof. Comes in a spray can. Buy it from Farnell online. Credit card OK. Courier delivery. Jaycar have a similar product called Circuit Board Lacquer.


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Re: Fisher&Paykel+PVC prop+floating hub
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 12:48:27 AM »
Thanks for that, Amanda. Will buy something from Jaycar soon so I buy your recommended stuff too.


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