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Mike Cross

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RV wind
« on: July 21, 2006, 04:37:06 PM »
Has anyone actually seen or used one of these?


http://www.alpinesurvival.com/RV_TOWER-KIT-price.pdf


The reason I ask is: I have these questions and Southwest Windpower

and the distributer have not answered them.


1. What is the smallest RV it can be used with? That is, can it be

used with a: tent trailer, or truck camper on a 1983 Toyota pickup

truck? Is there a minimum tire size or RV weight for safe use? Or

is the smallest is a 1 ton pick-up and a 28 foot long trailer

required as the brochure shows?



  1. Would the use with such a small RV require the use of guy wires?
  2. Are there wind conditions in which guy wires would be required


with any RV?


4. Does it have to be absolutely vertical to function properly? If it

has to be absolutely vertical, what has to be done if the camping

site is not level? It appears that if one levels the RV for use it

does not level the wind tower?


5. Does the tower have to be fully extended in order to function?

Or can it be used at a shorter height?


6. If the wind is really blowing strong, can the tower bump against

the RV?


7. In the photo captioned: "6 Fasten two remaining bolts to secure

base in upright position." It appears the user is wearing gloves.

Is that a requirement for installation?


Any help would be appreciated


Mike

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Re: RV wind
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 12:28:07 PM »
Have you tried calling the manufacturer to ask these questions?

John..
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Re: RV wind
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 01:29:18 PM »
BIG DOG says build your own--lot cheaper-more power-

just a shot of my old set up--check out lastest post.

the pole mount slides down between the rungs on the ladder ..nice and ridged now.



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Re: RV wind
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 01:42:54 PM »
Yes, They have only responded with: "It's such a new item.  We don't have all the specifications yet"!!!!
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Re: RV wind
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2006, 02:49:04 PM »
To properly answer your questions, a lot of data for each item is needed for an engineer to calculate the effects and responses of the wind mill, and the tower length on the different "weight loads" the tower is working against.


Just to protect themselves from law suits they may NOT provide any answer to you.


The wind energy moments against the tower base and the weight on that base DOES require a lengthy calculation spread with unknown variables for each of the types of trailers or loads the tower base may "receive" .


I would NOT even try to do an initial analysis of such "arrangements".


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2006, 05:07:23 PM »
The orginal question was:"Has anyone actually seen or used one of these?"  I find it strange, the manufacturer does not repspond to questions about the use of a product they want to sell, because of liablity or engineering problems.


These questions about problems or engineering should have been answered by the manufacturer before the product, was offered for sale.


In my opinion, if you know a product is unsafe why would you ever offer it for sale?


This type of RV wind generator tower has been an RV legend.  Always talked about at RV shows as being: "in development"  or "I saw one at the last show, but don't remember who was selling it".  These are answers I get from solar and wind generator vendors at RV shows.


I just cannot seem to find anyone that can answer the "orginal" questions I asked.


I hope this  helps find the answers. (aee my first post for the questions)


Thanks

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Re: RV wind
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2006, 05:33:10 PM »
  I wonder if they calculated the amount of weight that has been removed from the axel after the levelers have been put in place.   I can't imagine using an Air403 for powering an RV, you would need enough wind to almost move the RV to get the 400 watts.   I would imagine you'd never get any sleep with a stiff wind at night using that turbine.  


  Ok on with the question...  It would depend on the amount of wind, the size of the turbine and the height of the pole.   A simple lever formula could be used to calculate the weight needed.  I don't remember the size of the 403 so I'll use 4ft as an example.   In a 20 mph wind there would be about 25 lbs of force against the turbine,  If the pole was 20ft tall and the base was 3ft under the tire then 25x20/3= 166 lbs needed to hold it in place... the weight of the camper or truck would be more than enough.   In higher winds the numbers go up considerably.  To find the force against the turbine the following formula will get you a ballpark figure...


.00492 x swept area x windspeed^2 = force

area in sq feet

windspeed in mph

force in lbs

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Re: RV wind
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 06:04:39 PM »
 Windstuff Ed, please help the math impaired.  What does "^2" mean?


Thanks


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2006, 06:22:30 PM »
Mike



What does "^2" mean?


It means "squared" [to the power of 2].


Cheers.


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2006, 08:42:21 PM »
   windspeed times windspeed is probably the easiest way to explain it.  


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2006, 08:43:54 PM »
Hi Mike,

  I'll try to word this politely.  You're asking common sense questions.  You should be able to answer ALL these questions by yourself, using ONLY common knowledge and the info you have provided.  (with the exception of the questions if folks have seen or used these.)


1. What is the smallest RV it can be used with? That is, can it be

used with a: tent trailer, or truck camper on a 1983 Toyota pickup

truck? Is there a minimum tire size or RV weight for safe use? Or

is the smallest is a 1 ton pick-up and a 28 foot long trailer

required as the brochure shows?


Why does size matter?  Why are you asking about irrelevant things?  The weight of the RV is what holds this in place.  The weight of the vehicle doesn't affect the weight the RV tires apply to the ground.  In case you didn't notice, the RV in the sales ad has tandem axles, which reduces the weight each tire carries.


2.  Would the use with such a small RV require the use of guy wires?


If the wind is blowing strong enough to lift your vehicle off the tower base, you have more important things to worry about - like catching your runaway vehicle.  Hint:  The tower doesn't come with guy wire attachments, so you won't use guy wires.


3. Are there wind conditions in which guy wires would be required with any RV?


Yes.  Guy wires should be used during any windstorm that you have chained your RV to the ground to keep it from blowing away.


4. Does it have to be absolutely vertical to function properly? If it

has to be absolutely vertical, what has to be done if the camping

site is not level? It appears that if one levels the RV for use it

does not level the wind tower?


No.  The wind only blows at absolutely vertical.  The wind doesn't blow at 0.002 degrees from absolutely vertical - and since wind is required to obtain electric, no wind means no electric.  Use rocks under one side of the base to level it before driving the tire onto the base.  Wait, you should buy a special shim kit so you can get the base within the allotted .002 specification.


5. Does the tower have to be fully extended in order to function?

Or can it be used at a shorter height?


Is this a trick question Mike?  It's an AirX - they don't function unless you have hurricane winds.  However, hurricane winds don't blow unless you are at the full 20 feet extension.  Besides, if you have the tower set at the 7 foot minimum height, the  blades will probably be hitting the RV.  Also, if the tower is less than 20 feet, you'll be so close to the screaming Banshee, I mean turbine, that the noise will be too unbearable to be able to sleep anyways.


6. If the wind is really blowing strong, can the tower bump against the RV?


Absolutely not.  Didn't your Mother ever teach you about things that go bump in the night?  


7. In the photo captioned: "6 Fasten two remaining bolts to secure

base in upright position." It appears the user is wearing gloves.

Is that a requirement for installation?


Yes Mike.  The acid from your skin will corrode the bolts if you don't.  You don't want this thing falling on your head in the middle of the night do you?  Also, if you don't wear gloves, you might actually (shudders) get your hands dirty.

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Re: RV wind
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2006, 07:04:23 PM »
I believe that you'll have a hard time sleeping with that unit attached to your RV ... folks correct me if I am wrong, ...but I believe this unit is noisy.


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2006, 07:06:44 PM »
Ups ... countryboy already mentioned this in his comment ... did not see it.
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Re: RV wind
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2006, 11:43:02 PM »
where is nothingtolose, he should be commenting on this one. nothingtolose whereare you?
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Re: RV wind
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2006, 04:45:52 PM »
If the answers to his questions were so simple and easily found in common sense, why'd you take the time to write a 600 word bashful and sarcastic answer? Or is the answer to that question found in common sense as well?

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Re: RV wind
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2006, 03:24:19 PM »
Ditto:

   I would take him to task about the tire bit, but I shall not start a flame war here.


Countryboy. Try keeping it civil huh.


Tire dymanics aren't that common sense.


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Re: RV wind
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2006, 03:26:32 PM »
Last we emailed he was on his way to either Ohio or Canada.


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