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pepa

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all in one unit
« on: August 21, 2006, 12:35:48 PM »
air line on my central HVAC unit  pepa.will do this and let us live an (on the grid) life stile and still meet a lot of ouHi folks, I need some tactical advice and help with the electronic and structural planning for a project that I am trying to put together for the benefit of everyone who wishes to cut the cost of everyday living. This information will be free and available to everyone that wants to use it. I know that everyone here has probably thought about doing this project in one way or another because it is the goal of all of us to reduce power usage and reduce the cost of the power that we do use. I believe this method of energy production r (off the grid) goals. What I have drawn up is a central unit placed outside the house that will, produce heat for living space (forced heat ducted in), will preheat hot water for hot water heater, will provide steam or heat to produce electrical power and possibly refrigeration (air conditioning-ice making). I don't know if I am a dreamer or a fool but, every thing that I have incorporated into these drawings has been proven to work as single units. The heart of the system is an emersion heater that will burn untreated used cooking oil. (with a few phone calls I have found  and established a  regular supplier of about one hundred fifty gallons of clean used  cooking  oil per week,  FREE), they even put the used oil back in the 5ga. Containers that it came in for easy no mess pickup. I am researching oil burner designs and have had experience with military (years ago) field kitchen  emersion water heaters that were gas fired and drip fed. The later ones are much improved over these primitive units and are electronically controlled. Wet and dry chambers for heat exchange and a boiler for steam to drive turbine. What I am looking  at now is a central water tank (possibly a 55gal metal drum or large hwh) with emersion heater and coiled ¾ soft copper pipe for hot water. A brass float valve in the tank will be fed from the hot water side of the outlet to maintain water level. This will be surrounded by a dry air space that will be heated by the outside walls of the wet tank and well insulated on its outside walls and equipped with inlet and outlet for forced hot air. A boiler above the wet tank to collect steam for driving electric power supply  unit. Something like this, mounted on a trailer would work well in a emergency if it could be connected to a well or separate water tank. I have put a lot of thought into this project but my drawings are very ruff and are very basic. I would like this to be a group project for everyone and I will build and document the  unit as I go. Any ideas, drawings, electrical plans, structural design, ect. Would be more than welcome.  I plan to tie my unit into the return



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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 09:20:42 AM »
pepa, if you have secured a source of free fuel congratulations!

everything is possible now.

you will have a hard time burning 150 gals a week.

when you get a bunch of emty buckest you can turn them into vawts
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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 11:55:10 AM »
You're looking to do the xact thing I am with my free fuel. I really see no point in trying to power a car or gen when home heating is so much simpler.
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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 05:53:05 PM »
i am planning to use some of the oil as biodiesel for my backup generator and some for my diesel truck but i thank that by burning it in the untreated state as heating oil that i can have the best of all three events. if this group will work together we can develope a system that will benefit everyone and be as good as anything that can be built. work with me, pepa.
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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 12:00:54 PM »
My basic plan is pretty simple but as it is unbuilt all I can really share is the idea. I'm building a 10 square meter solar hot water collector, the heat from which will be stored in a series of insulated tanks in my large unused basement. I'm thinking about a dozen or so 55 gal drums but since my space is pretty much unlimited I could double or triple that. In parallel I'm building a small low temp water heater from a 55 gallon drum and the burner assembly from a 10,000btu kerosene heater which I have. This should burn a bit more than two gallons per day which I can get easily. As the water heats up a small pump will transfer the hot water into the storage tank and return less warm water. Getting the heat into the house will be left to a long run of pex(sic) tubing. My house gets a lot of solar gain so I just want to shift the day's heat into the night. Based on what I've done so far with preheated, practicly unfiltered WVO it seems to burn just fine and very cleanly in a KeroSun type burner. Once I light the burner the plan is to run it continously through the winter. A good friend of mune is helping me with the controls as he has a lifetime of industrial HVAC experiance and likes this sort of project. I'm on grid in the middle of a large city so no wind turbines just yet as grid power is pretty cheap and reliable. I'm also hoping that  since all the pumps and storage will be located in my basement most of the waste heat generated will be recovered by just heating the floor above it.

John..
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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 02:10:14 PM »
storing the heat energy as hot water sounds good john, with enough insulation on the containers it should last a long time, i dont have a lot of experience with oil burners , please share the controls with me when you get the details worked out. i am looking at all the material i can find on line so i can come up with a working design for this system. i live in a hurrican zone and probably wont be able to count on solar or wind if something happens unless i have enough warning to take down and pack up my equipment, i have diesel backup now so at least we will have water and electrical. i have machines that keep me alive and i have done everything i can to make sure that i have enough electrical storage or production to keep things going. this boiler unit should help along those lines as well as help neighbors if needed. below is a picture of the petter with auto alternators pepa.

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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 02:24:43 PM »
another 63. kb bit the dust pepa
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 02:33:23 PM »
if you would stop putting spaces in your file names of your photos you would stop having this trouble with displaying pictures the file name for that last photo should look like this autoalternatorsSmall.jpg then it will work.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 02:43:29 PM »
thinks kirk, i did not know,i an not very conputer literate. pepa
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Re: all in one unit
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 02:59:53 PM »
Pepa, The 'controls' are just going to control when the pumps turn on and off. One pump will pump fluid through the panels, another will dispense the hot water out of the boiler and the third will pump water through the pex(sic). I just don't want them to run at the wrong time and pump my heat back out at night.

John....
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