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sPuDd

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Induction Motor Conversion Waveforms.
« on: May 20, 2007, 01:30:58 AM »
My first two successful induction motor conversions can be seen

in these two diary posts:



3hp Fuji Induction Motor Conversion.




Washing Machine Induction Motor Conversion.


I was curious as to the wave shape of the two units now that

they were converted to PM, and if the wave shape would have

any odd noise or such that would make life hard the electronics

using it. I hooked them up one at a time to a Fluke digital scope

meter and captured the images.


The washing machine induction motor:




The 3hp Fuji induction motor:




Both measurements were done loaded & unloaded, but the wave shape

remained the same. You will notice that the washing machine motor has

quite a nice shape, while the 3hp Fuji has an odd flat spot at each peak.


The Questions:

What is causing this flat spot?

Is the flat spot caused by magnetic saturation of the iron stator slots?

Or is it due to my removal of one row of magnets in the final design?

Or is it perhaps caused by the mechanical drag of cogging stuttering shaft

rotation at the point where the magnets are in maximum flux contact with

the stator slots?


The washing machine motor seems to have a hint of distortion at the peak

of its wave too, perhaps this is a sign of the "effect" ?  I'm of the opinion

that this will not affect the unit in any appreciable way, but it would be

nice to know so I can fine tune my future designs.


sPuDd..

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Flux

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Re: Induction Motor Conversion Waveforms.
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 02:08:31 AM »
If you manage to achieve a sine wave then you are just lucky.


It has nothing to do with iron saturation. A single coil in a slotted core will tend to produce something approximating to a square wave. The flux will link the coil for a significant period as the magnet crosses, at which point there is no change in voltage.


As the magnet approaches and again as it leaves the slot the flux will snap from one tooth to the other and link the coil. This will give a steep voltage change.


With a real winding several factors tend to smooth things off, firstly you may have several coils adding voltage at different phase angles ( distributed winding) and secondly it is unlikely that your magnet system will give the field of a curved continuous magnet.


How these factors add up will determine the final wave shape.


If you are charging batteries there is no need for the waveform to be a sine wave, the low harmonic frequencies are far too low to pass through the battery which acts as a large capacitor.


The only ill effect might be that you run into circulating currents with delta connection that will cause drag at start up. If these are single phase machines it will not matter and for 3 phase star it doesn't matter. In fact with star the line voltage is likely to be far better even if there is a lot of odd harmonics on the phase voltage.


Air gap machines ( axials) have no flux snapping as there is no toothed core, the width of winding inherently causes a distribution and unless you choose the proportions really badly they give at least a line voltage that is often almost a pure sine.


Flux

« Last Edit: May 20, 2007, 02:08:31 AM by Flux »

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Re: Induction Motor Conversion Waveforms.
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 04:32:50 AM »
The flat spot indicates some loading either internal or external . Maybe stator internal loading .
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007, 04:32:50 AM by tecker »

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Re: Induction Motor Conversion Waveforms.
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 07:32:34 PM »
An increase in rpm may eliminate the flat spot....
« Last Edit: May 24, 2007, 07:32:34 PM by Lumberjack »