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Kilted

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Good find? Long term project.
« on: September 19, 2007, 03:46:59 AM »
Hello,

I have been lurking here for a while and have picked up lots of useful information. I have ordered an Ametek 30 off of eBay and it will be my first wind turbine.  I was really interested in building a Hugh Pigget version.  Then I got the books whewwww not for the first one, it's been awhile since I have felt that overwhelmed.  


I am new to wind but not solar, I already have a grid tied PV-solar system up and running.  I really do not have the space or need to mount any kind of large turbine.  Three-foot close to the house is all I can manage.  The Ametek 30 will become part of a "weather station", and also charge a 12v battery as a load.


For the most part my questions have been answered with the search function but now I have a question.  Taking into consideration what said above I now have a long term project when I was wandering around one of my local electronics surplus houses and I came across a motor, a PMDC .75hp, 30.7amp, 24vdc, 1800rpm, 560watts.  I made the leap of faith with low rpm, high current and lower voltage it should work.  


Here is a link to the company that made it; http://www.pacsci.com/products/pmdc/index.html Model number; BAF3644-5737-56BC.  It has an external fan in the bell at the rear; I have had a brush cover off.  The brush covers need a gasket and I did not see any holes under the fan.  I did not take the fan off but by adding gaskets to the brush cover the motor looks splash tight.  From the labels it looks like the motor was custom made for; http://www.spectrawatermakers.com/ that leads me to think with the addition of brush cover gasket this thing should be watertight.  Quality looks excellent.


It looks a lot like this one white instead of black; http://www.windstreampower.com/443905_PMDCG.php They do not give the motor voltage, just the generator.  Body style is the same could be the same vendor no way of telling.  From the resistance reading given I think this would be a higher voltage model.


Right now I have no way of testing anything this size.  One of the really impressive tests was to connect a 1.2v NiMH AA cell and the shaft was hard to stop, on 3.7v LiIon I was unable to stop the shaft.  Twisting the shaft by hand I was able to generate 1.2-2vdc open circuit. Short circuit current up to 2 amps this is just with hand twisting the armature.  Resistance measured at 0.11 ohm.


It will be awhile before I can find some one who has enough equipment to test with.


Now for some questions, I know that the real answers will come when I can actually test this thing.  In the mean time has anyone here had experience with motors like this? Any thoughts? I know it can generate but any opinions, on how good of a generator it might be? Was this a good find?  I'm sure it will work for 12v, 24v, but will it work for a 48v pack which needs nearly 60 volts or above?  This is along term project, as I do not have a place to fly it.  What I was hoping for was approx 60vdc output under load to charge a 48v battery bank, connected to an Outback grid-tied inverter.  So the system would be a hybrid solar/wind system.


Almost forgot $95.00 plus tax.


--  thank you

--  Brandy

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Re: Good find? Long term project.
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 12:40:05 AM »
I also got an Ametek 30 as my first wind turbine. Two years back, LOL

My quicky test for DC motors and also works on AC Alternators, is to short the wire together and test turn the shaft before and after. Shorted should make them very hard to turn.


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Re: Good find? Long term project.
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 03:38:56 AM »
24vdc, 1800rpm - hmm, this seems a bit problematic if you are hoping to get 60 volts out of it under load.  A 180V motor at this rpm would seem a more likely candidate for 48V charging.  The open circuit voltage should be a linear function of the RPM.  You will need too high of RPM to get the voltages you are seeking, even with a pretty high TSR (Noisy) blade set you will be way under your desired voltage assuming about a 4 foot diameter machine for normal winds. Rich
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Re: Good find? Long term project.
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 10:16:28 AM »
That motor should make approximately

 12 volts at  900 rpm

 24 volts at 1800 rpm

 48 volts at 3600 rpm

« Last Edit: September 19, 2007, 10:16:28 AM by wooferhound »

Kilted

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Re: Good find? Long term project.
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 09:55:10 PM »
I finally have some test results on this motor.  I only got one reading with shorted output 20 amps at about 5rpm.  This motor the armature is almost locked with shorted output.  


HZ comes from my Fluke DVM. I used an inductive pickup with a small magnet in the keyway, 12v-Battery motor connected to a battery load, Hgln-spot halogen spot light as a load, blank 'Load' open circuit.


Since this motor has a high rpm per volt I included gear up calculation. I stopped at 15amps as that is the rating of my diode.  This motor barely got warm.  With gear up this motor could make a good 12v generator.


                       avg rpm 95.5 per volt     Rotor RPM

  RPM      HZ    Volts   Amps rpm-vol watts   GU-3.1  GU-4.1 Load

  1239    20.7   13.54   0.4    92     5.4     413     310   12V-Battery

  1268    21.1   13.63   1.0    93     13.6    423     317   12V-Battery

  1233    20.6   13.15   1.7    94     22.4    411     308   12V-Battery

  1288    21.5   13.70   2.0    94     27.4    429     322   12V-Battery

  1309    21.8   13.79   3.0    95     41.4    436     327   12V-Battery

  1307    21.8   13.56   5.1    96     69.2    436     327   12V-Battery

  1347    22.5   13.97   5.4    96     75.4    449     337   12V-Battery

  1292    21.5   13.44   5.6    96     75.3    431     323   12V-Battery

  1344    22.4   13.77   9.3    98    128.1    448     336   12V-Battery

  1386    23.1   13.96   10.6   99    148.0    462     347   12V-Battery

  1410    23.5   14.05   13.2   100   185.5    470     353   12V-Battery

  1422    23.7   13.93   15.7   102   218.7    474     356   12V-Battery

  702     11.7    7.23   3.1    97     22.4    234     176   Hlgn Spot  

  726     12.1    7.67   3.2    95     24.5    242     182   Hlgn Spot  

  756     12.6    7.80   3.2    97     25.0    252     189   Hlgn Spot

  834     13.9    8.69   3.4    96     29.5    278     209   Hlgn Spot

  882     14.7    9.10   3.5    97     31.9    294     221   Hlgn Spot

  1092    18.2   11.52   4.0    95     46.1    364     273   Hlgn Spot

  1135    18.9   11.89   4.1    95     48.7    378     284   Hlgn Spot

  1421    23.7   15.11   4.7    94     71.0    474     355   Hlgn Spot

  813     13.6    8.98          91     0.0     271     203

  840     14.0    9.36          90     0.0     280     210

  1020    17.0   11.34          90     0.0     340     255

  1028    17.1   11.54          89     0.0     343     257

  1097    18.3   12.14          90     0.0     366     274

  1182    19.7   12.90          92     0.0     394     296

  1309    21.8   14.50          90     0.0     436     327

  1326    22.1   14.83          89     0.0     442     332

  1482    24.7   16.50          90     0.0     494     371

  1636    27.3   18.18          90     0.0     545     409

  1943    32.4   21.42          91     0.0     648     486

  2140    35.7   23.72          90     0.0     713     535

  2562    42.7   28.40          90     0.0     854     641

  2694    44.9   29.88          90     0.0     898     674

  3150    52.5   34.70          91     0.0     1050    788


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