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GeeMac

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Magnet information I didn't know
« on: January 11, 2008, 03:57:12 PM »
Some of this is standard information, but some of it might help us all achieve better efficency with our home built alternators. Read on and read all.


Making Magnets work harder


Magnets do their best work when focused. The natural field of a magnet is a polar radiating loops. Disc magnets have equal fields. The trick with disk magnets if getting both fields working for you.


A ferromagnetic backing plate placed against one side of the magnet creates a more efficeint path for the flux lines to follow. I also creates a radiating pattern favoring one pole, which effectively points the majority of the manetic energy in one direction.


When a magnet is placed in a ferromagnetic cup, the cup further magnifies the effect by eliminating the air gap (air is a poor conductor of magnetic fields) and brings both poles of the magnet to grip on the same surface. this is similar in principle to a horseshoe magnet. A rare earth magnet in a steel cup provides four times the strength of a bare magnet. A cup provides a disc magnet the optimal magnetic flux focus into the smallest gap area.


Maximum Attraction


To increase the attractive power of a magnet, put a piece of iron or steel behind it. Any piece of steel the same size or larger than the magnet will do. For maximum effectiveness. be sure the steel is at least as thick as the magnet. Several layers may be used if necessary.


Magnets can be glued in place with most any glue although epoxy is the most secure. For mechanical mounting, try magnetic cups which are often sold with rare earth magnets up to one inch in diameter.


With thanks and Credit to Lee Valley Tools

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Re: Magnet information I didn't know
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 09:17:08 AM »
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Re: Magnet information I didn't know
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 11:45:08 AM »
  The cups work well for increasing the attraction or holding power but it doesn't help us any in an alternator.  You could machine the outer edge down below 1/2 of the magnet thickness or more which would make a nice mounting assembly that wouldn't interfere with the flux through the coils to much.  


  Basically the cups bring the opposing pole to the front where the 2 poles interact with each other forming a very good magnetic circuit.  But... all the flux is contained inside this circuit.


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Re: Magnet information I didn't know
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 01:09:05 PM »
IIRC magnetic attractive force is proportional to the square of the flux density.
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Re: Magnet information I didn't know
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 06:48:00 PM »
We focus the magnetic fields by using magnets on 2 backing disks that are facing each other. This pulls the magnetic field across the airgap between the magnets.


I've been looking for a diagram that illustrates the magnetic circuit on a dual rotor genny. I've seen one on here somewhere but can't seem to be able to find it now ?  

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Re: Magnet information I didn't know
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2008, 10:30:36 AM »
woof,

 dingles posted some good diagrams lately

and of course "electric ed "

haven't heard much from electric ed for a long time?
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