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Janne

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The past summers progress
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:12:36 PM »
Hello readers. Decided to make a diary entry about the summers progress. As always, comments and advice are welcome :)





This actually happened during early springtime.. Started by lowering the larger windmill. It's been a a few years since it ran, and along a new generator it is in lots of need for mainteinance. The blade diameter on this is 8.8 metres and the tower is 34 metres.





After disassembling, and stripping the paint it became obvious one of the blades had developed some rot in it.. All of them have now been drying for the whole summer, and I'm going to bring them inside for a proper new coating, and scarf new wood to the one blade with rotten part.





I'm going to (at least i'm planning to) use this 15kW 1500rpm slipring motor for a new generator to this wind turbine. It's gone through the same conversion process, as the broken generator(described here : http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2008/3/2/20410/91854), and it makes its rated voltage at rated rpm with 6VDC supplied to the rotor, drawing 12A. The old system used a modified car alternator to supply the field current to the main generator, and output was controlled by varying the small field current on the auxiliary alternator. For this, I'm thinking about ditching the aux generator, and try some sort of PWM control for the field excitation, from 12V battery. Power is going to be fed to 2x 6kW (400V) and 1x9kW resistors, located in the hot water tank. Drive for the generator will be through the old 15:1 gearbox, and propshaft.





The most labour intensive job so far has been stripping/repainting the tower. I'm only going to repaint the red sections this time, as the grey parts are not rusting up so bad yet, and will propably be good for another few years. So far about 2/3 of the job done, hoping for a few more good weather days (been raining almost all summer here :/) to get the job finished before winter.





The 12V 3.2meter axial flux machine has also been doing well. Before sowing season, i got the cable buried in the ditch. Intresting to note was, that after adding the longer cable(because i moved the batteries) it seemed to also lower the furling point of the machine. Now it starts furling at 30A, and peaks at 35A when furled about halfway. After that, output drops rapidly. Seems ok for me, as the battery bank is rather small, so it's most likely dumping anyway if it's producing 30+ amps.

I'm planning to take it down after the harvest to give the wooden tower another coat of tar, and also to inspect the machine for loose nuts etc.









I also built a new dump load system for the axial flux wind turbine, to replace the crude on / off system. The resistors are Ni-Cr wire, stolen from a broken electric heater. Each of them dumps about 4.5Amps@14.5V, so there is some extra reserve if the turbine for some reasong might exceed it's normal output. I also made a nice steel box with fans for the resistors, but forgot to take the pictures.


The LM3914 based controller looks crude, but seems to work ok, at least in bench tests. The schematic for the circuit can be found at http://www.anotherpower.com/gallery/My-electonics-stuff/uusdumppi?full=1 , i'll put it as a link, as it's too big to display here.

It's much like the controller designed by Amanda, just the delay part is a little bit diffrent. This one has no on-delay on the outputs, but has a few seconds of off-delay.


Anyways, that's the summers's RE progress here. Not much, but what can you do when work and stuff like that prevent most of the fun :)

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Re: The past summers progress
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 07:02:10 PM »
 Thanks for posting. Looks like a nice set up. The wire run looks long. It must have cost a bit. Your tower looks nice too. You have been working hard with the crop fields and other stuff to tend to.  
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 09:21:38 PM »
where are you located? It looks interesting. :-)
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 01:37:15 AM »
Interesting facts on the 3.2m machine. With the longer cable you have got it running out of stall mode and the furling behaves as I find my machines doing. The power falls when furling hard.


You are probably reaching that 30A in lower winds than before with the short cable so you may not be loosing anything at all from the longer cable run.


Others seem to report an increase in power out when furling in high winds and I am now fairly convinced that it is something to do with the stalled operation and probably at some wind speed you break clear of the stall with potential power out increasing faster than the furling can hold it. This at a time when you have a lot of energy in the wind leaves you with a lot of stator heat unless you have got the furling set low enough in the first place.


I suspect that each system needs the furling tweeked to take care of the circuit resistance and that no one tail weight is going to suit all conditions.


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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 06:51:50 AM »
Your probably seeing first hand the copper reactance in your long run to the batteries . Using the amperage change as a view of the mechanical dynamics and furling .The added resistance will keep the stator in a good grove unless you have a ground fault .Isolate the wire form both ends and check for ground connection and or  some continuity between phases this would add more stress to the stator .  
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Re: The past summers progress
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 01:38:22 PM »
Hi, thanks for the comments.


Roy, I'm located in Finland.


Flux, I also suspect that it is actually generating the 30A in lower winds than before, but it's hard to say for sure, as i don't have any kind of windspeed/power logging. For sure, it's now running better out of stall.


I didn't perfectly understand the ground failure part. It shouldn't ever be a problem, as the AXMKA4x16mm^2 aluminum cable is meant to be buried without any other protection. Stator circulating current heating should also not be a problem, as I'm rectifying all the 10 coils individually, if that is what you meant.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 02:39:57 PM »
Comment.

Gosh that's big.

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 03:15:03 PM »
G;


Golly, gee wiz, I make it out around 6/0 or six aught as my uncle would say. If my conversion make sense, anyway.


I bet its fun in the connection box ;=}


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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 04:45:04 PM »
 Bringing all the coils down was a pain I'll bet but the flexabllity keeps other options open . Looks like you did your homework with your choice of home run wire . I was thinking the change in amperage might be due to a water filled conduit .  
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Re: The past summers progress
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 04:26:45 AM »
Tom, yes a bit crammed, but still manageable.





The ends of the 10 coils are connected to the bridge rectifiers's AC side, and the + and - terminals are all connected to + and - buses. The alu cable is squeezed between 2 copper strips, so far there hasn't been any corroding issues, connection lube seesm to have kept the connection good.





The junktion box, also at the bottom of the tower. The one at the tower top is a bit more crammed version of this.. and who needs brake switches when god inveted the steel wire ;)


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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 11:10:35 PM »
"who needs brake switches when god inveted the steel wire", .......and you get to progressively brake it too.


That is BIG... as in huge, mmmonster even.


I like it a lot.


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