Author Topic: Temporary New Hobby (Read 7579 times)

vawtman · « **on:** May 30, 2009, 06:12:34 PM »

When the feds kicked in this big tax for ryo's like me i gotted ticked and ordered seeds from across the pond(cofinails)LOL.

I have over 200 seedlings i've been nursing along.Lots of fun but lots of work.I see Obamas face in each of them and smile back.

When and if they get settled in i'll be back at the vawt(if anyone cares).

Just wanted to let everyone know the towel hasn't been thrown :v)

Mark

scottsAI · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2009, 12:46:35 PM »

You talking about growing your own Tobacco?

What is "ryo's like me"?

ghurd · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2009, 01:17:11 PM »

I was confused too, but figured it out...

"Roll Your Own" (I googled it without the 's)

And it took a minute, but "Coffin Nails".

Save more money than a windmill!

G-

vawtman · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2009, 01:27:51 PM »

Hi ScottsAl

Yep. Roll Your Own(ryo) is where you buy loose tobacco and not the premade ciggies.A pack of cigs before the tax was less than a buck and now it's ~3bucks (errr)I'm gyo now(grow your own).

Re will fit into this process in some way with efficient watering systems and others i have yet to explore.

My nick is taxedenough on Photobucket.The plants are alot bigger now.

vawtman · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2009, 02:05:52 PM »

Here's a link G.

http://www.coffinails.com/

Simen · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:22:43 PM »

3 bucks? :-o

Here in Norway, it's 10-12 bucks...

And 25 bucks for 1.75oz. (50gram)

I'm also a ryo; should really quit, because of health if nothing else...

But then again; we got free healthcare... *-)

kurt · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:30:43 PM »

all the roll your own smokers i know are buying different flavors of pipe tobacco and a small food processor/coffee grinder just chop it up a bit finer rolls OK. find a flavor you like... the 0 forgot to tax pipe tobacco when he taxed the cigarette tobacco..... that is what i hear anyway i gave them up a few years ago myself.....

electrondady1 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:58:39 PM »

i smoked for 42 years vman

and used the patch to help me quit.

c'mon, you could do it to.

psst.. it puts led back in your pencil !!

electrondady1 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2009, 04:29:07 PM »

the only trouble is when you get fidgety you start snacking

i was thin my whole life but now i gained 30 lbs!!

vawtman · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2009, 05:10:25 PM »

I have a green thumb(greener than the other fingers)and love gardening.It's not so much the smoking thing it's the point that when the taxes come on your pretty much screwed into paying them.Beer won't be far behind but i should be able to grow the stuff for that too.They may not tax booze much cause that's what keeps em goin.

It's not so much big brother looking out for your health by no means all they want is revenue for the other crap.

So,keep taxin i'll keep growin.

Maybe i should shutup or i'll have revenue guys crawling around MY yard. i could use the turbine to scare them off :v)

End Rant and still havin fun.

SDSUMetalHead · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2009, 08:17:14 PM »

I smoked for 5 years and agree the patch is the way if you are going to do it. Here in SD they have a hotline you can call that gets you the patches for dirt cheap. You can only do it once, but its a good deal that once. Luckily I stayed off and have been off for over two years. If I were still smoking ryo would be the way to go. They are so expensive now! I also gained quite a bit of weight after I quit. I was the skinny guy all my life and now I've got the pot belly (drinking doesn't necessarily help that though either.)

Norm · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2009, 09:22:08 PM »

Okay ....Here goes!

How smart I was....I was about 12 years old when

I discovered I could pick up a bunch of cigarette

butts along the road a pipe made from a piece of

broomstick and a hollow dry weed for the stem....

When I was in the Navy, I even wrote my Mom and

told her cigarettes were so cheap that I couldn't

afford not to smoke ? It seemed logical at the

time.

Smoked for 52 years....at one time I reached a

peak of 5 packs a day.

I quit 15 years ago and if someone had told me

it was so easy to quit...I would have called

them a Liar !

I'll admit for about 2 yrs. I held a cigarette

but never lit it.....after a couple of days

I'd have to get a new one.....kinda hard to

hold a tube of paper.

Jerry · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2009, 10:03:23 PM »

Hi Simen.

How well does that free health care work for you over there?

Jerry

Simen · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2009, 05:08:29 AM »

Well...

If there's something that worries you, you go to the doctor and he helps you out. He takes a visit-based fee of 10-20 bucks. If the doctor finds something more serious that require specialists/hospitals, he sends you there with a requisition; that's free.

If you for example ride your bike, and run straight into a tree or something and break your arm, you can go to the emergency ward and get help (here, there's also a small fee), or of you're not available to get there yourself; dial 113 and the come and get you.

Drugs/medicines you'll have to pay for, as long as it's not a life-necessity/long time treatment.

In short; small ailments you pay a small fee for; more serious stuff are free (hospitals etc.)

If your injuries are permanent and reduce your ability to work, you get a disability allowance/pension, which are based on your average salary in your working life, and are usually 60-80% of your last average yearly income. with this kind of pension; life-necessary drugs are also free.

The more practical/political side of health care are; as always, another matter.

The hospitals are always short of money and staff; screaming at the government for more, and the politicians are always making promises for more... (which they occasionally actually keep.)

Now; i'm no expert on this subject, so i might have missed some points. I myself, aged 39, live on a disability allowance which adds up to just above $2000/month. (Now remember; Norway is an expensive country, so my income are not fat, but ok for one person.)

valterra · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2009, 05:37:33 AM »

Too bad lots of lead in your pencil doesn't equal more exercise.... :-)

electrondady1 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 31, 2009, 06:18:57 AM »

no user fees here in Canada.

it's all free.

zap · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2009, 08:09:35 AM »

It's tough on us RYO'ers. I cut my consumption by a lot when I started rolling my own about 5 years ago. Most people and even most smokers I know still have no clue how much the RYO folks got the shaft in this last increase.

I'm hoping to quit when my last box of tubes is gone... we shall see.

bj · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2009, 08:29:26 AM »

Hi Mark--saw the name, had to say good luck with the project. Of course

we should both quit, but--oh-well.

My side projects keep getting in the way as well.

Keep havin' fun

bj

Shadow · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2009, 09:05:40 AM »

I tried the patch, but it made me look like a pirate...

Norm · « **Reply #19 on:** May 31, 2009, 07:03:41 PM »

I'm hoping to quit when my last box of tubes is gone... we shall see.

The key word here is hoping

It's so easy to quit....believe me!

Have a cigarette....just don't light it....

filter tips last longer...they don't fall apart

in your mouth....beware of well meaning friends

offering you a light for your cigarette! The

surprised or shocked look on their faces when you

refuse a light.

E-mail me anytime after you decide to quit.

adaml · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:51:21 AM »

Like the ideas Norm, I been trying, not too successfully, to pack it in, I'm a ryo and it costs about £12 for 50g over here. Been trying the inhalor but need more willpower especially when it is an easy excuse to get out of the office for a few minutes!

clflyguy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:08:32 AM »

Hey Zap-

I smoked about 2 packs a day for 25 years, got hypnotized and quit just like that-

At the new prices for cigs I paid for my hypnosis in 1 month - $300.00. That habit would now cost me (besides my health) at least $3600.00 a year.... Hey! That's a truck payment a month.... Hmmmmm, need to talk to the wife about that...

strider3700 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:22:44 AM »

Most drugs aren't, dentistry isn't, neither is vision or psychiatric... But year the general every day stuff and emergency stuff is free.

Stonebrain · « **Reply #23 on:** June 01, 2009, 03:20:50 PM »

VM,

Deteriorating health just for the pleasure of not paying tax doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway ,I tried growing tobacco once,but it was quite bad to smoke.I think the leaves need some kind of treatment(fermentation??).

Better try potato,beans and tomatoes if you like growing.

cheers,

stonebrain

vawtman · « **Reply #24 on:** June 01, 2009, 07:50:26 PM »

Stone you need to cure it first.I'm riggin an iceshack for my chamber.I got hollered at by the bus driver back in the day for smokin tree leaves on the bus to school.Try that now:)

Just another fun hobby and don't really want to live to an age were everything else falls apart.

Gotta go sometime.

Norm · « **Reply #25 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:06:02 PM »

Okay how about ryo ....a real fully packed bunch

of them ...filters at both ends...they don't fall

apart so easy that way, and if you forget and

light it up.....well you probably lit up the

wrong end of a filter tip at least once, haven't

you ?

Been trying the inhalor but need more willpower especially when it is an easy excuse to get out of the office for a few minutes!

Step out of the office take the cigarette ....

don't light it take a nice Deep drag ...slowly

exhale calmly casually....now isn't that much

better than holding back the impulse to choke on

smoke?

If you do like I describe you'll feel like I

did when I quit.....

I sometimes ask myself why did I think I

needed more willpower? I had it all the time.

Do it now....I guarantee you'll be asking

yourself the same question. Why didn't someone

tell me it would be so easy?

I just did ! Now you can quit. Be good to

yourself. You deserve it!

Ungrounded Lightning Rod · « **Reply #26 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:07:27 PM »

Remember all the old films about the shooting war between the moonshiners and the "revenuers"? The latter were the ATF - the department of Alcohol, TOBACCO, and Firearms. (Known as "F troop" to the other departments. The people responsible, in collaboration with the FBI, for the Waco Massacre.)

Growing your own tobacco puts you in the same category as a moonshiner or an unlicensed manufacturer of machine guns as far as the feds are concerned.

Assuming you and your dog and cat survive the raid (the agents have been known to shoot dogs to retain the element of surprise and stomp a pet kitten to death in front of the already-subdued raidees just to show that they're in control) you can expect to lose your house, windmills and all, to the RICO act even before you start fighting the charges against you for growing a drug plant without proper taxation and paperwork in advance, with no errors. (There are a number of former firearms dealers in prison for minor paperwork errors.)

Then they put you in federal prison. Federal sentences don't have "time off for good behavior". Good luck getting a pardon from Obama - especially after you told us all that you're growing the "foul tobacco weed" to avoid the tax.

electrondady1 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 02, 2009, 05:51:56 AM »

if vman gets sent to the big house can i have his magnets?

here in canada you are allowed to grow something like fifty lbs. for personal use.

more than that, you got to pay something to someone.

Norm · « **Reply #28 on:** June 02, 2009, 05:54:00 AM »

Buy one pack of cigarettes at even $4....this

will last you the rest of your life...if you don't light them! One cigarette will last you

about a week. About half way thru the pack you'll

discover that a pencil, a soda straw, or a pretzel stick. works just as well as long as no

one is watching....you look pretty stupid puffing

on a pretzel stick.....what makes you think you

look so intellegent puffing on a lit cigarette?

The money I save on not smoking cigarettes I

can afford to take a nice long shower....waste

all the hot water I want.

Just quit smoking the things !

YOU can do it! I did!

Airstream · « **Reply #29 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:35:38 AM »

Under U.S. of A. Federal Law an individual/household/property can grow up to 500 plants for personal consumption without having to petition to enter the Federal grower's lottery 'allotment' system.

Selling personal-use tobacco is where you can run into trouble if you do not have entitled land and tax stamps; this is a cash crop and the regulations eliminates/reduces hijacked crops or strong arm robberies of the 500~ pound hogshead stacks of cured leaf; and provides a registry for inspections, as example a means for shutting out land from production if it has a history of blight & mold to keep it from spreading to surrounding lands, etc.

zap · « **Reply #30 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:46:20 AM »

clfyguy,

I did property maintenance for a few years for a commercial reality office. One of our tenants was a hypnotist and did tobacco cessation. I talked with him quite a bit and a few of his patients and didn't care for the (lack of) number of positive results. I'm glad it worked for you.

I quit a decade ago for about 3 months using Norm's technique. I'd suck on an unlit fag most of the day. Then I smoked 1 a day for another month or so then 3 then.....

Ever since I started rolling my own and smoking, almost always, outside, I'm at a half a pack... give or take.

I guess it's time to try the unlit method again.

zap · « **Reply #31 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:52:17 AM »

I looked into growing my own a few years ago after working in west Tennessee for a few weeks and seeing cut fields and curing sheds full.

I found the same information as Airstream.

ULR, Do you have links to the information you provided?

zeusmorg · « **Reply #32 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:55:47 AM »

Ungrounded.. BEFORE YOU SPEAK NEXT TIME..KNOW THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!

It is not illegal to grow tobacco. let me repeat this.

It is not illegal to grow tobacco.

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