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Jerry

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TLG wind test.
« on: September 10, 2009, 03:04:21 AM »



Here are the #s for the Hornet GM alt.


 Here are the TLG boast buster blades #s.


 5 mph   0 watts



  1. mph   0 watts
  2. mph   0 watts
  3. mph   12.25 watts
  4. mph   49.2  watts
  5. mph   93.75 watts
  6. mph  129    watts


  3 Hornet blades


 5 mph   0 watts



  1. mph   0 watts
  2. mph   0 watts
  3. mph  81.25 watts
  4. mph  89.46 watts
  5. mph 259.35 watts
  6. mph 357.5 watts


 Here are the 6 blade Hornet #s.


 5 mph  0 watts



  1. mph  0 watts
  2. mph 38.1 watts
  3. mph 96 watts
  4. mph 175.5 watts
  5. mph 246.93 watts
  6. mph 312.4 watts


Again these #s are scewed. It was a very calm day. So I just used the truck spedo.


Below 35 mph the 6 blade hornet did best even better then there 3 blade version?


But it still shows, car alternators are late to cutin.


                       Jerry

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Re: TLG wind test.
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2009, 09:24:57 PM »
what is a TLG blade?


forgive my igorance


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Re: TLG wind test.
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 12:14:05 AM »
 


I don't believe this test should reflect the ability of either set of blades, It just shows what blade is a better match with the GM alternator.


Thanks for your test results using the GM alternator.


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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 05:52:12 AM »
Bob,

Thought everybody knew TLG...?? LOL

http://www.tlgwindpower.com/


Have fun !

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 06:09:30 AM »
Thanks Jerry, Looks like where I'm located,

even with the 6 blade Hornet blades and a

typical car alternator, most days I'd be

charging more batteries with Pedal power.

   Maybe a lot of wind power newbies will be

brought to shocking reality eh ?

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Jerry

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Re: TLG wind test.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 09:49:29 AM »
Hi Luckeydog.


5 to 7 years ago, can't remember now? I purchased from Hydrogen Appliances a Hornet wind generator.


I never did get the preformance I had hoped for. The Hornet came with 3 blades that are an exact copy of the SW WP 403 blades accept they are a littel longer.


The Hornet was one of the first to market a wind generator based on a GM alternator.


They replaced the rotor coil with a large doughnut NEO magnet. Since then they have introduced a couple diferant rotors with small bar type NEO magnets.


They also now sell ther wind generator with 6 of there SW nock off plastic blades.


I didn't build this GM alt it is from my old Hornet. Now there are several Companies  that sell the GM alternator based wind generator.


TLG offers the TLG Boast Buster as an upgrade blade for these commercial sold wind generators. TLG suggest the preformance of these GM alternator wind generators will be improved.


I was sent a set of the TLG blades by a fellow board member for testing on a GE ECM motor.


Since I still had the Hornet I thought this would be a good time to see how the TLGs preformed. The above #s are my results.


Here are a few companies that I'm aware of the sell a GM based wind generator.


  http://koolenergytools.com    http:www.windbluepower.com  http://www.hydrogenappliances.com   http://mikeswindmillshop.com


Mikes Windmill Shop  , Koolenergytools and Hydrogen Appliances use the Hornet blades.


Windblue uses a 2 blade built by TLG and TLG sells the upgrade Boast Buster blades.


  http://tlgwindpower.com


All I've done here was tested these blades on the GM Hornet alternator they are suggested for and reported how they preformed for me in my test procidure.


The wind speed #s are scewed by the wind going over the cab of my truck but all the blades were tested the same way under the same conditions but the diferances are real.


These are not my blades or my alternator. I'm simply testing what this industry is offering and suggesting.


Personaly I prefure my blades or wood carved blades or foam pipe blades. I also prefure for small wind generators, motor conversion, GE ECM motors, F&Ps or best yet duel rotor disc alts built from scratch.


                           Jerry


 

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 12:03:35 AM »
Hello Jerry


Thanks for the reply.


Do you know the cutin rpm at 12 volts with the GM alternator that you used in the test?

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 12:07:15 AM »
one more question Jerry


what was the load you were using in the test/


thanks

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Re: TLG wind test.
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 04:55:02 PM »
Hi Luckeydog.


Why yes I do know the rpm at cut in of the GM alt I wind tested.


 Here are some RPM #s for you. I benched this alternator with 3 diferant mods and reported my findings in a diary story on Dec. 8th 2008.


This was a 12 volt test. The load is the same load I used in the wind test.


Two 225 amp hour 6 volt golf car batteries. Wired in sires for a 12 volt load.


 1 amp   556 rpm

 2 amps  594 rpm

 5 amps  693 rpm

7.5 amps 785 rpm


Check this diary http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2008/12/9/45512/7763


I'll load a couple pictures for you.


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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 05:10:58 PM »
Here are the batteries in the truck bed. These are thesame batteries used in the Dec. bench testing.




Here is the fullwave bridge and capacitor "Jerry Rigg" heak sink unit.




Hope this info helps.


                        Jerry

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 11:48:05 PM »
OK now I understand why you had the test results that you did.


the cut in rpm on your test alternator is very high, Higher than most modified GM alternators.


 the Boast buster was designed to reach cut in about 150 and reach  600 or so rpm.


 The modified alternator made by Wind Blue has a cut in around 150 rpm.


so Jerry I am not sure if you have a very old hornet alternator or just a real crappy one.


 It would be nice to see the test on a newer wind blue alternator.


 I haven't yet be able to find Hornets cut in RPM on there website but I have not looked that hard yet. not easy to find real info on that cluttered website.


 I will look into the Hornet Brand alternator more to see what i can find out.


  Thanks Jerry for your posting, I know you put a lot of time and effort into your testing and I am one who dose appreciate it.


 Luckeydog

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 07:49:12 AM »
I had a Windblue "low wind" that was said to have a cut in at 150 rpm.

I have the TLG single blade for it as well.


Ive compared my outputs to Jerrys Hornet results in the past. They were in the same range of output vs rpm.


Cut in with windblue was putting .08 amps into a 12v battery.


I seen 3 amps out of wind blue, once, in a storm.


My windblue has a different stator now and is mounted to a gas engine. The only good use I found for it.


Good luck

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Re: TLG wind test.
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 08:55:12 AM »
Hi Fused.


Do you still have the original 150 rpm cutin Wind Blue stator? Since these car alternators require very high rpm, the only way to get early cutin is to rerwind them

with many turns of very small wire.


The problem with that is as you have expirienced is very low amperage. I would be willing to test your Wind Blue stator and then return it to you.


If this sounds OK to you I'll pay the shipping both ways.


My aproach is to keep the high amperage stator but configure it for as early cutin as posable.


It would be intresting to compair the 2 diferant designs to see witch one makes the most usable power?


I also have a GM factory built 24 volt stator. The testing goes on.


                        Jerry

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 09:44:54 AM »
Yes, I have it.....


You have mail :)


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