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« on: March 10, 2010, 11:08:09 AM »
So I ended up turning it into a bob trailer after all - my original idea didn't work. I'm not as happy with it as I thought I'd be but I think it'll grow on me. The chains stay on at full (plugged into the wall) speed so that's a big plus. I got to test it some yesterday and it seems like it ought to work pretty well when it's done.


All I really need to get is a 1.5kw inverter. This will put the trailer over the legal power limit (1000w) but I figure I can adjust the controller anyway. I could also make a fake nameplate for something to point to in case I get harassed. Or I could spend less and get a 1kw inverter (and have a big label to point to) but the motor and controller I'm using are both rated to 1.5kw...even if I never run the trailer at 1.5kw, it would be nice if I could, yaknow. What do you think...1kw or 1.5kw inverter?


If it's not too cold later (it snowed last night) I'll see if I can't clean it up some and snap a couple pics. later

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 12:21:38 PM »
Any update in the battery category?


That 20AH is not going to provide much distance, and 1500W could be more adequately  measured in yards than miles.

Not sure if doubling will help.  That's not a lot of battery.  Even 350W is a big draw.


Two cent thought.

"Flooring It" will make the battery V drop, sending the inverter into under voltage shut-down, probably resulting in the inverter oscillating.

I believe the inverter is going to cause a lot more issues than you expect.


I never built one.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 02:55:51 PM »
There is a legal limit on how much wattage you can have in an electric bike trailer?
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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 04:27:43 PM »
Ghurd, I do plan on getting another 20ah battery at some point. Also the ceiling is just the ceiling...not something I'll get close to.


I think the oscillating you mention will depend on what the battery can deliver. I can force the inverter I have to overload/oscillate like that if I turn the controller up. What's the realistic limits of the battery though?...


Would I be better off getting the 1kw inverter then? Not only is it cheaper, it would keep me legal. I really, honestly, don't need that much power...it just makes adjusting the controller easier if I have some head room.


Oh, there is no "flooring it", since the acceleration is also controlled by a pot I've got that turned way down.


fabricator, yup, there's usually a law on it. In some states it's less. Personally I think the 20mph limit is just bogus...I can easily ride faster than that without electric assistance, on a beat-up girly bike with half-flat tires, uphill. lol..oh well.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 07:04:17 PM »
As far as I know, there is no law covering electric push trailers.


U.S. Federal law, HR 727 states "a two or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals" and the wattage limit is 750.  I'm not sure where REdiculous got 1000 watts from and the actual speed limit is "less than 20 mph" with a 170lbs operator.


A copy of HR 727 at e-bikekit.com

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 08:58:27 PM »
ORS 801.258 = 1000w.


With the trailer attached my bike is an electric bike with 3 wheels and trying to argue otherwise would be kind of stupid. I'd rather avoid any legal headaches.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws

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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 08:59:58 PM »
Although I doubt too many folks will take issue, I am thinking that many places you would have difficulty operating a motorized push trailer mounted on a bicycle legally upon public roadways.


The laws may vary by state.  The laws are actually still a bit confusing and this has caused a bit of debate here, even amongst professionals who ought to know.  As an example, below I've pasted in some of the relevant definitions under Illinois Law at the bottom.  They are long and the points may be difficult to decipher. The key points being:


- if the combination of the trailer and the bicycle is self propelled, then it is a motor vehicle.  

-It may not be a moped or a motor driven cycle if it has more than three wheels in total touching the ground. It may be a division one passenger vehicle.  (As such, I don't see any way that one would be able to legally operate such a vehicle with a two wheel motorized trailer pushing a bicycle legally on any public road in Illinois under the existing laws) (The ambiguous thing being that you can separate the trailer from the bike if I understand what you are building)



  • drivers license required for any moped or motor driven cycle, license class dependent upon which type of vehicle, see the definitions below for definitions.  License required for driving passenger cars as well.  

  • title required for any moped or motor driven cycle, as well as for passenger vehicles.

  • insurance required for any motor driven cycle or moped or passenger vehicle.

  • registration required for any motor driven cycle or moped upon any public road.




a disclaimer:


This is general information for Illinois, and is not intended as legal advise, also the information is not guaranteed for accuracy.


These laws are specific to where I am, in the state of Illinois in the U.S.A.  Your local laws may vary of course.


Rich


Some of the related laws:


(625 ILCS 5/1‑140.10)

    Sec. 1‑140.10. Low‑speed electric bicycle. The term "low‑speed electric bicycle" has the same meaning ascribed to it by Section 38 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. Sec. 2085).

(Source: P.A. 96‑125, eff. 1‑1‑10.)


    (625 ILCS 5/1‑140.15)

    Sec. 1‑140.15. Low‑speed gas bicycle. A 2 or 3‑wheeled device with fully operable pedals and a gasoline motor of less than one horsepower, whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 miles per hour.

(Source: P.A. 96‑125, eff. 1‑1‑10.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑145.001) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑148)

    Sec. 1‑145.001. Motor driven cycle. Every motorcycle and every motor scooter with less than 150 cubic centimeter piston displacement including motorized pedalcycles.

(Source: P.A. 90‑89, eff. 1‑1‑98.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑146) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑146)

    Sec. 1‑146. Motor vehicle. Every vehicle which is self‑propelled and every vehicle which is propelled by electric power obtained from overhead trolley wires, but not operated upon rails, except for vehicles moved solely by human power, motorized wheelchairs, low‑speed electric bicycles, and low‑speed gas bicycles. For this Act, motor vehicles are divided into two divisions:

    First Division: Those motor vehicles which are designed for the carrying of not more than 10 persons.

    Second Division: Those motor vehicles which are designed for carrying more than 10 persons, those motor vehicles designed or used for living quarters, those motor vehicles which are designed for pulling or carrying freight, cargo or implements of husbandry, and those motor vehicles of the First Division remodelled for use and used as motor vehicles of the Second Division.

(Source: P.A. 96‑125, eff. 1‑1‑10.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑147) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑147)

    Sec. 1‑147. Motorcycle.

    Every motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor.

(Source: P.A. 80‑262.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑148.2) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑148.2)

    Sec. 1‑148.2. Moped. A moped is a motor‑driven cycle, with or without optional power derived from manually operated pedals, whose speed attainable in one mile is at least 20 mph but not greater than 30 mph, and is equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less. If an internal combustion engine is used, the displacement shall not exceed 50 cubic centimeter displacement and the power drive system shall not require the operator to shift gears.

(Source: P.A. 96‑554, eff. 1‑1‑10.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑153.1) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑153.1)

    Sec. 1‑153.1. Off‑highway motorcycle. Any motorized device designed to travel primarily off‑highway on 2 wheels, having a seat or saddle for the use of the operator, upon or by which any person, persons or property may be transported or drawn.

(Source: P.A. 85‑830.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑161) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑161)

    Sec. 1‑161. Pole trailer.

    Every vehicle without motive power designed to be drawn by another vehicle and attached to the towing vehicle by means of a reach or pole, or by being boomed or otherwise secured to the towing vehicle, and ordinarily used for transporting long or irregularly shaped loads such as poles, pipes or structural members capable, generally, of sustaining themselves as beams between the supporting connections.

(Source: P.A. 76‑1586.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑209) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑209)

    Sec. 1‑209. Trailer.

    Every vehicle without motive power in operation, other than a pole trailer, designed for carrying persons or property and for being drawn by a motor vehicle and so constructed that no part of its weight rests upon the towing vehicle.

(Source: P. A. 76‑1798.)


(625 ILCS 5/1‑217) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑217)

    Sec. 1‑217. Vehicle. Every device, in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway or requiring a certificate of title under Section 3‑101(d) of this Code, except devices moved by human power, devices used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks and snowmobiles as defined in the Snowmobile Registration and Safety Act.

    For the purposes of this Code, unless otherwise prescribed, a device shall be considered to be a vehicle until such time it either comes within the definition of a junk vehicle, as defined under this Code, or a junking certificate is issued for it.

    For this Code, vehicles are divided into 2 divisions:

    First Division: Those motor vehicles which are designed for the carrying of not more than 10 persons.

    Second Division: Those vehicles which are designed for carrying more than 10 persons, those designed or used for living quarters and those vehicles which are designed for pulling or carrying property, freight or cargo, those motor vehicles of the First Division remodelled for use and used as motor vehicles of the Second Division, and those motor vehicles of the First Division used and registered as school buses.

(Source: P.A. 92‑812, eff. 8‑21‑02.)


   (625 ILCS 5/3‑101) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 3‑101)

    Sec. 3‑101. Certificate of title required.

    (a) Except as provided in Section 3‑102, every owner of a vehicle which is in this State and for which no certificate of title has been issued by the Secretary of State shall make application to the Secretary of State for a certificate of title of the vehicle.

    (b) Every owner of a motorcycle or motor driven cycle purchased new on and after January 1, 1980 shall make application to the Secretary of State for a certificate of title. However, if such cycle is not properly manufactured or equipped for general highway use pursuant to the provisions of this Act, it shall not be eligible for license registration, but shall be issued a distinctive certificate of title except as provided in Sections 3‑102 and 3‑110 of this Act.

    (c) The Secretary of State shall not register or renew the registration of a vehicle unless a certificate of title has been issued by the Secretary of State to the owner or an application therefor has been delivered by the owner to the Secretary of State.

    (d) Every owner of an all‑terrain vehicle or off‑highway motorcycle purchased on or after January 1, 1998 shall make application to the Secretary of State for a certificate of title.

    (e) Every owner of a low‑speed vehicle shall make application to the Secretary of State for a certificate of title.

(Source: P.A. 96‑653, eff. 1‑1‑10.)


    (625 ILCS 5/3‑102) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 3‑102)

    Sec. 3‑102. Exclusions.

    No certificate of title need be obtained for:

    1. A vehicle owned by the State of Illinois; or a vehicle owned by the United States unless it is registered in this State;

    2. A vehicle owned by a manufacturer or dealer and held for sale, even though incidentally moved on the highway or used for purposes of testing or demonstration, provided a dealer reassignment area is still available on the manufacturer's certificate of origin or the Illinois title; or a vehicle used by a manufacturer solely for testing;

    3. A vehicle owned by a non‑resident of this State and not required by law to be registered in this State;

    4. A motor vehicle regularly engaged in the interstate transportation of persons or property for which a currently effective certificate of title has been issued in another State;

    5. A vehicle moved solely by animal power;

    6. An implement of husbandry;

    7. Special mobile equipment;

    8. An apportionable trailer or an apportionable semitrailer registered in the State prior to April 1, 1998.

(Source: P.A. 91‑441, eff. 1‑1‑00.)


(625 ILCS 5/6‑104) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 6‑104)

    Sec. 6‑104. Classification of Driver ‑ Special Restrictions.

    (a) A driver's license issued under the authority of this Act shall indicate the classification for which the applicant therefor has qualified by examination or by such other means that the Secretary of State shall prescribe. Driver's license classifications shall be prescribed by rule or regulation promulgated by the Secretary of State and such may specify classifications as to operation of motor vehicles of the first division, or of those of the second division, whether operated singly or in lawful combination, and whether for‑hire or not‑for‑hire, and may specify such other classifications as the Secretary deems necessary.

    No person shall operate a motor vehicle unless such person has a valid license with a proper classification to permit the operation of such vehicle, except that any person may operate a moped if such person has a valid current Illinois driver's license, regardless of classification.

    (b) No person who is under the age of 21 years or has had less than 1 year of driving experience shall drive: (1) in connection with the operation of any school, day camp, summer camp, or nursery school, any public or private motor vehicle for transporting children to or from any school, day camp, summer camp, or nursery school, or (2) any motor vehicle of the second division when in use for the transportation of persons for compensation.

    (c) No person who is under the age of 18 years shall be issued a license for the purpose of transporting property for hire, or for the purpose of transporting persons for compensation in a motor vehicle of the first division.

    (d) No person shall drive: (1) a school bus when transporting school children unless such person possesses a valid school bus driver permit or is accompanied and supervised, for the specific purpose of training prior to routine operation of a school bus, by a person who has held a valid school bus driver permit for at least one year; or (2) any other vehicle owned or operated by or for a public or private school, or a school operated by a religious institution, where such vehicle is being used over a regularly scheduled route for the transportation of persons enrolled as a student in grade 12 or below, in connection with any activity of the entities unless such person possesses a valid school bus driver permit.

    (d‑5) No person may drive a bus that does not meet the special requirements for school buses provided in Sections 12‑801, 12‑802, 12‑803, and 12‑805 of this Code that has been chartered for the sole purpose of transporting students regularly enrolled in grade 12 or below to or from interscholastic athletic or interscholastic or school sponsored activities unless the person has a valid and properly classified commercial driver's license as provided in subsection (c‑1) of Section 6‑508 of this Code in addition to any other permit or license that is required to operate that bus. This subsection (d‑5) does not apply to any bus driver employed by a public transportation provider authorized to conduct local or interurban transportation of passengers when the bus is not traveling a specific school bus route but is on a regularly scheduled route for the transporting of other fare paying passengers.

    A person may operate a chartered bus described in this subsection (d‑5) if he or she is not disqualified from driving a chartered bus of that type and if he or she holds a CDL that is:

        (1) issued to him or her by any other state or


jurisdiction in accordance with 49 CFR 383;

        (2) not suspended, revoked, or canceled; and

        (3) valid under 49 CFR 383, subpart F, for the type


of vehicle being driven.

    A person may also operate a chartered bus described in this subsection (d‑5) if he or she holds a valid CDL and a valid school bus driver permit that was issued on or before December 31, 2003.

    (e) No person shall drive a religious organization bus unless such person has a valid and properly classified drivers license or a valid school bus driver permit.

    (f) No person shall drive a motor vehicle for the purpose of providing transportation for the elderly in connection with the activities of any public or private organization unless such person has a valid and properly classified driver's license issued by the Secretary of State.

    (g) No person shall drive a bus which meets the special requirements for school buses provided in Section 12‑801, 12‑802, 12‑803 and 12‑805 of this Code for the purpose of transporting persons 18 years of age or less in connection with any youth camp licensed under the Youth Camp Act or any child care facility licensed under the Child Care Act of 1969 unless such person possesses a valid school bus driver permit or is accompanied and supervised, for the specific purpose of training prior to routine operation of a school bus, by a person who has held a valid school bus driver permit for at least one year; however, a person who has a valid and properly classified driver's license issued by the Secretary of State may operate a school bus for the purpose of transporting persons 18 years of age or less in connection with any such youth camp or child care facility if the "SCHOOL BUS" signs are covered or concealed and the stop signal arm and flashing signal systems are not operable through normal controls.

(Source: P.A. 96‑554, eff. 1‑1‑10.)

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 09:58:58 PM »
LOL... I got about half way through that before my head actually started to hurt.

Damn lawyers!

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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 07:38:05 AM »
RE

here in MO the laws are a bit different.

The speed limit is higher so both pedal bikes and motorized can be in traffic flow without causing too much of a bottle neck.


St.Louis laws pretty much follow the state's.

Motorized unit as of last year, as far as I know must now have driver's license, but...


Speed max is 29mph.

BHP is 3max with engine displacement set at 49.99 or 750watt. The later is due to the 2 & 3 wheel units out there with big motors trying to stay up in the 40mph range.

Neither allowed on highways, No helmet required.


A couple of things I've actually seen is that the police are giving out tickets to pedals who brake the red light laws and speed laws more often now, which I think is about time, several times I've been going through my green light and have had Bicycles go through their red without a care for their lives or even looking.

 A diesel horn makes them look :)


They are giving some lee-way to electrics that have a market cart as we have a few hills that can drain a battery pack quickly and can cause traffic problems.

Our e-scooter had this problem once, we now make sure it has a backup system with enough Amperage to at least pull out of traffic.

Nothing like having a big A$$ SUV honking at you while the battery which was full 2mins ago now read 0 :(.


Most reputable scooter shops now have motor-cycle safety classes available and the MO test take-able right there to stay legal.


With a trailer and some creative building, you can have a complete battery system on the trailer and save the bike for riders.

Take a look at Zap's and other postings, they are beauties:)

Cheers and have fun!!

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 07:39:09 AM »
You made it farther than I did before my eyes glazed over.


I'm pretty sure that my trailer will be ok. The bike has pedals so it's still clearly a bike and not a motorized vehicle. My state is more bike friendly than most though.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 10:32:47 AM »
Since there's no real inspection for e-bikes I think you can get away with just about anything. I've heard of people making a fake nameplate for their motors so they won't get busted. It's not like the cops are gonna pull out a meter...they go with the info in front of 'em.


I think I've finally settled on getting a 1kw inverter though. It'll be smaller, cheaper and keep me legal at the same time. Not like I really need 1kw anyway.

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An "HR" designation means it's PROPOSED.
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 01:25:24 PM »
U.S. Federal law, HR 727 states ...


The designation "HR 727" means this is a BILL.  It's some version of a PROPOSED law - the 727th introduced in the House of Representatives in some two-year session.  That does NOT make it a law:

 - It might get amended.

 - It might fail in the house.

 - It might get amended in the senate.

 - It might fail in the senate.

 - If amended in the senate it might be amended in the conference committee or fail passage when reported out of congress.

 - It might get vetoed and not overridden.


Maybe it DID pass.  But carrying a laminated card that says "HR nnn" isn't going to convince the cop to not give you a ticket or confiscate your bike.


The bill has a reference to the section number of the federal law being amended.  Look it up in the federal code to see what the law actually says, or a judge to reverse your ticket or order your bike returned.


You can look it up in the "Thomas" database system maintained by the library of congress.  URL is:  http://thomas.loc.gov/  There's a link partway down the left side of the page to the US code database.


(Thomas - named for Jefferson - was the result of a push by Newt Gingrich to use the web to give citizens real-time access to legislation in progress.  This was back in the "Contract with America" days.  It started with putting active legislation from the House online and the LoC has continuously improved and expanded it since.  It's a marvelous resource those affected by or wanting to affect federal law and politics.)

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 01:37:59 PM »
While we're on odd laws for homebuilt vehicles:


I hear that the city of Ann Arbor has an ordinance banning hovercraft.


Back in the '60s a number of people built little "puck" hovercraft using lawnmower engines.  These are sort of Segway hovercraft:  Engine, prop, skirt, handle with engine controls.  Accellerate, steer, and decelerate by leaning.  (I don't know if the handle controlled some side-jet openings for yawing it or what it used for that degree of freedom.)


Some kid built one and ran it down the aptly-name Hill street, getting it up to some horrendous speed and zipping through the shiny new radar speed trap.  Oops!


Cops tried to haul him in for speeding.  He claimed (incorrectly, given the ground effect requirement) that he wasn't driving, he was flying low, and they had no jurisdiction.  City attorney agreed that aircraft were ruled by the FAA.  So the city council headed off repeats and a possible traffic snarl from mobs of engineering students on hovercraft by banning them outright within city limits.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 01:42:23 PM »
Forgot to mention:


Building one of these puppies should be child's play for some of the people on this board.  We're already building turbine blades, mower-motor-based generators, and electric bike conversions.  Why not build a prop, mount it on a mower engine, and build a platform with handlebars, a blade guarded intake vent, rubber skirts, and a high traction deck?

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 03:12:04 PM »
ULR;

 Yup built one in a little town called Baroda,MI rode it to high-school named Lakeshore high :)

Being that we were in engine class and has ALL sorts of tool at our hands and rebuild Nova IIs was old hat we got a set of plans and went at it, class project and all.

Used plane type blade rather than mower blade twist needed lift.

Units were out of plywood usually but better ones were split 2x4s and glassed up:).


Was way neater than some ole snowmobile.

Steering was byway of leaning, NO side jets just lean and air would do the rest.


Spit out too much dirt, rock. Locals put a stop to those quick even back then (early 70s).


Ahh the good ole days.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 02:01:10 PM »
How do you yaw it?


= = =


The classic thing to do with one, soon after you've built it, is sink it in a lake:


One thing everybody who is getting interested in hovercraft finds out is that they work over water as well as over land.  So a typical thing to do with them, soon after they're working, is to try them out over a lake.


Well this works well enough that they go out a ways.  Then the spray shorts out the ignition, the engine quits, and down they go.  B-b

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 02:14:42 PM »
Long Long  space to give big turning ratio and turn turn turn, couple locals could swing themselves, in a spin similar to what I've seen and tried on surf-sails but didn't have the oomph to do.


Never got that far on open water , thankfully. had a spring fed pond that was fun enough to go over, but the sun-perch were biters so we didn't play on the water so much.

Drandest things I ever saw, we have sun-perch here and even down home but they don't have teeth like those did.

They were tasty tho :) Pan fried in BUTTER :}. Flayed was easier too.


Wow what a wake up call on it sinking that would be, that would certainly garner an OH SH!!!.


You looking at building them? gotta be plans still around. I'm thinking the ultra-light ICE these days would give a better lift ratio, pontoon skirting would help.

Lexan bubble on top would keep it above water level.


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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 07:55:53 PM »
YAY get those hovercraft plans in here asap with the lack of water and the hills on our farm a slow going hovercraft powered off RE would be the bee's knee's around here....
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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 04:55:48 AM »
Bryan;


What you need is a ground effect vehicle.


I have plans on EbaY now for only $9,999.99 for the digital download version. It runs on ambient light even at night and can be built from common household items!


Get yours before the supply is exhausted.


Tom

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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 02:12:51 PM »
Tom as the $US is going down the toilet how about 10 rolls of dunny paper, after all you'll need heap after eating all that scoop kibble.....
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Re: electric push-trailer
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 07:01:43 PM »
Tom, got any plans for a jetpack? Getting the mail would never be the same!
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