hydrogen generator

[hiker]

found this little ad--tucked away in the back of my -GAS ENGINE-mag APRIL/MAY 2010..

just might have to check it out!

 http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s208/hiker_07/?action=view&current=hydrogen001.jpg&newest



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[tanner0441]

Hi

I looked at these things last year and could not find anything to convince me to buy one, or build one for that matter. They producce HHO or Browns gas read browns gas on google and look at the size of the units that are actually used to do things. It is used for welding because of the properties of the flame, but as I say read up on browns gas.

I can't se a thing that size hydrolising enough water to produce enough gas to even supliment an engine with only 12V and the surfacce area of the electrodes.  It is an interesting read though..

Brian.

[electrondady1]

fellow member tecker has done a lot of experimenting along those lines

and had enough success to continue.

storing that gas mixture is dangerous.

[fabricator]

That add is a complete scam, you will NEVER, EVER "Run" any engine on the gas that 100 of those things would produce.

Any internal combustion engine is basically an air pump, they move a huge volume of air, the amount of hydrogen one of those units can produce is so minute as compared to the volume of air used it is almost unmeasureable.

Then there is the problem of the energy needed to produce the gas, the energy is in the form of electricity that has to come from the alternator, so the alternator burns more fuel the produce more electricity to produce more gas.....................

[bodyguy]

This is the HHO generator I built along with my other hobbies.

I had this generator running a 4.5hp four stroke engine with no gasoline.

In this video it was running off the turbine dump. There is alot of power in watter.

Do not try to compress the two gases combined VERY DANGEROUS.

[bodyguy]

Sorry here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMQ5RShQCv0

[hiker]

nice vid.

how much gas can you produce in a given amount of time?

so whats your thoughts on the ad in my -gas engine- mag..

truth or fiction?

i will make the call and see what he has to say!

[tecker]

I've gone through 6 different mod s started with a 18 8 stainless 8 quart cooking pot running off one phase of the alternator . Went to another one quart 18 8 canester from Walmart with a Pwm and a toroid that pushed 70 volt pulses through the anode . I like the anode now easy to make with 316 stainless 1/2" strapping using pex pipe segments for insulators . I'm currently making a 304 stainless mod 2"x 18 inches long HDpe top and bottom and a sump to separate the mud so I can use tap water . The mud is a byproduct I have it going out the bottom to a stainless canister that is doing the job . I 'm sticking with a gap Amode to Cathode of 1/8 " and the 70 to 80 volt pulse .Good production and hope to adjust the fuel pressure on the fuel rail to get 35 plus MPG currently 28 highway 4 liter v6 with 420,000 miles no tailpipe residue ( my main gauge ) I hope to be good with the sump and the 304 pipe as a final mod and will post the build on www.rspc.info soon .  

[tecker]

Had an interesting failure last year (my only real bad problem ) I was doing some work at a downtown Mall and left the cell powered up by bumping the by pass switch .It ran down the battery and I forgot to pull the feed tube to the intake before I pushed the truck off it bucked and the bubbler went I opened the hood to find the jar in a pile as it totally imploded very nice pile I picked up the pieces by passed the bubbler and drove home .

[electrondady1]

if you start to research electrolytic hydrogen production on the Internet you come across the idea of a secret resonate frequency  which easily  forces the water molecules to fall  apart.

there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff and it's hard to separate the fact from fiction.

[TomW]

When did that change?

Uh, technically it did not change.

There are good and valid reasons it is not allowed.

Tom

[bob g]

the last time i got involved with electrolysis was about 40 odd years ago, as a science fair project,, even then the college professors that did the judging were very negative about its prospects and i received a 3 place.

stepping forward 40 years to now, my attitude has been no different than that which was reformed by those professors all those years ago, it just don't make any sense to spend more energy to make less energy, however...

we expend 4 times the btu value of gasoline to make an alternate form of energy to power our cars, or about the same to power a genset to charge a battery bank

so i guess it can be said that it doesn't make much sense to do that either.

i don't know what the energy efficiency is to make hydrogen with electricity, but

if it is ~85% then it is about on par with charging a lead acid battery?

failing all that it might be an alternate and useful use of the wasted energy that is shunted to a dump load resistance heater bank from a wind turbine?

perhaps on a windy day after the batteries are fully charged and the controller shift to dump load, instead of just heating wire, maybe you make some hydrogen?

maybe enough to cook a meal with?

can't imagine driving a car very far with the production of a typical windgens dump load surplus power, at least not many days out of a year.

just a thought

bob g

[tecker]

The high points

 Yes on demand is the way to go power up when the engine is running and put engine vacuum on the Cell and bubbler

  Meyers work is with clean water that is essentially and insulator he used 300 volts at 15k hz with a stop pulse to regage what is a fairly good dielectric

  In the real world the water charges and balances out to 6 and a little under ph and by putting a slight vacume on the cell you get a nice brakdown at less than 100 volts

 around 4k . keeping the particulate setteling out to the bottom and through a 1/2 fitting to another vessel will keep it working fine so you just add water .My magic number  is around 4 amps as the cell gets up to temp .

things I'm working on are

    convenient water adding

    mixing Alcohol in winter

   running a pwm on the fuel pump to drop the pressure on the fuel rail if anyone knows of a different fuel regulator kick in

[tecker]

Dumping to a Cell is a good one using hho alone is a trick that pretty much is a fast burn out as it needs some wood gass or propane to control the cutting of the hho .You can design a burn adapter to keep the heat going up the center of a standard water heater but it is easier to use it as a add to producer gas that when used needs to account for a very wet flue. I'm going to have to wrap up my info page .It's really perfect fuel and will do what is touted to do  .

[Bruce S]

TomW;

  Back when I was new to this site, I actually read the posting rules :-), I knew that even posting talking about Hydrogen/HHO/H2 and even alky was a careful road that had to be taken.

When I began posting about Alky, I made sure it was okay, even asked, during the posts for NTL about how to and such.

For allowing these to stay, I very much appreciate it by the Admins and editor(s).

My opinion for what is worth is that both subjects have matured beyond the OU nonsense.

If I get one small vote, I'd be asking for a tab that has a place for these in the future. IF not then in the diaries section will be fine.

Unfortunately for the Admins & editors life might get more hectic if these how-tos are allowed so I'll understand if they are not..

Have a great weekend!!

Cheers

Bruce S