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icicle

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would this work
« on: October 13, 2006, 03:54:20 AM »
I know that potential motion does not work, but would this work out. If someone took a 300 to 1000 gallon and made a stand 25 feet high and took a piece of 2" to 3" pvc pipe and ran it staight down to a low pressure, high flow water turbine to turn a 6 to 7 kw gennie to run two or three electric fire pumps on the outlet of the turbine and pumped back to the top of the tank. I think a person would have enough wattage leftover to run your home.
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Ungrounded Lightning Rod

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Re: would this work
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 11:40:49 PM »
Perpetual motion machine of the first kind.  Violates conservation of energy and first law of thermodynamics.


You don't get enough power out of the water to pump more than a fraction back up - let along pumping it ALL back up and having energy left over.


Energy doesn't come from nowhere.  You can't create it - you can only change its form - losing some of it every time you change it around.


(Matter IS a form of energy, which is why nuclear power works.)

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drdongle

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Re: would this work
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2006, 05:59:28 AM »
Bizzat WRONG answer! there is no free lunch, all system have losses that make them less than 100% efficient. And even if they were there is no way to get more than 1000 watts out of a system you put 1000 watt into.

Google: Entropy
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finnsawyer

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Re: would this work
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2006, 09:21:39 AM »
Apparently Kurt wiped out the original post, which is his right.  What you say is true if you have accounted for all possible sources of energy.  Something may appear to be over unity without actually being so.  A crystal radio puts out power for no input power, which gives an apparent infinite power gain.  You need to look at all aspects of the issue.  The damn thing could literally be sucking some energy that just happens to be going by out of the air .  
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