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TheCasualTraveler

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Another coil question
« on: January 19, 2008, 03:23:56 AM »
I'm wondering, has anyone a formula for figuring the area of a cross section of a coil based on number of turns of a specific wire size? In other words as an example: A cross section of the windings of a coil using #?? AWG wire times X ??# of turns would fill a space 1/2 inch by 3/8 inch. Hope the diagram below comes thru intact. I hate to waste wire on test coils if I can calculate this fairly close.


__      

        OOOOOOO

         OOOOO

        OOOOOOO

1/2 "    OOOOO

        OOOOOOO

__     OOOOO


       |    3/8"    |

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Flux

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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2008, 01:39:26 AM »
Not easy. Best that I can offer you is that you should be able to use 60% of the calculated area. Much depends on the type of coil, size of wire and your skill.


If you are not using a tried design with specified turns and wire size then you will need to experiment a bit. It's not worth spending days on each coil to gain an extra couple of turns.


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TheCasualTraveler

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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2008, 04:54:04 AM »
Good enough. If I know the size of the wire I can figure the area for 1 wire x number of turns, divide by 60 then multiply by 100 and have an approx. area. Sound right?
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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 06:05:21 AM »
Yes that would be a good starting point for average winding.


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TheCasualTraveler

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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2008, 06:09:01 AM »
Thanks Flux.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 06:09:01 AM by TheCasualTraveler »

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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 06:12:36 AM »
So I go to look up wire size and come up with this web page. Cool.

http://www.mogami.com/e/cad/wire-gauge.html
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finnsawyer

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Re: Another coil question
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 08:38:20 AM »
Depends how fussy you want to get.  Place each cross section of wire in the smallest hexagonal cell it can fit in.  Put all the cells together in the most compact way possible like a honeycomb.  That's called "Hexagonal Close Packing" and is the densest way you can fit the wires.  You run into problems at the end of the layers as you indicated.  One layer would have ten turns, the next nine, then ten, and so on.  A machine might be able to achieve this density of packing, but it's unlikely you could do it free hand.    
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