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Spaz

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PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« on: April 13, 2008, 03:39:23 AM »
This is my first posting. I caught the Re bug about 2 months ago and like every newbie Ive rushed in without doing enough research. I finally got my solar panel system working and it was doing fine for the past few days.I have one bp panel a Xantrax 35 and two 6 volt batteries. today I came home and the 5 amp fuse from the panel was blown. This concerns me because the panel is a 12 volt bp monocrystalline 80 watts at max power and 4.5 amps max. The wire is 10 gage and the run is about 40 ft. Could the wire size or the length of the run be the problem for blowing a fuse thats rated more than my panel?
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jonas302

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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 10:00:35 PM »
80 watts at 12 volts is 6.6 amps you must be getting some good sun to get it up there   Fuse should be sized to protect the wiring should be able to find a chart for that
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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 10:10:47 PM »
spaz;


You do realize that a phenomenon called "cloud edge effect" can boost panel output considerably? I have seen my nominal 300 watts of panels [240 watt actual] hit 400 watts when it happens.That could account for the popped fuse. I would put a 7.5 or maybe a 10 amp in there myself because it is mostly protection for a short.


Just a first thought


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Spaz

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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 10:13:33 PM »
I was looking at the electrical characteristics from the panel rated 12 volt but its actually 17.6 volts at max power and this number i assume is much less due to line loss ect. 80 watts dived by this is 4.5 amps . Am I missing something?
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Spaz

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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 10:21:39 PM »
Yes I have heard of the "cloud edge effect " I thought that could be what happened , But wasnt sure. I have a dummy light on my inverter and I'm waiting to get my digital display any day now. Thank you I will go ahead with a bigger fuse
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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008, 10:22:12 PM »
Yes that would make more sense  

I  do believe someone has said new panels can make over the rated power at first maybe that had somthing to do with it also

as Tom says try a 10 amp  at least your making good power
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Spaz

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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 10:30:02 PM »
Thanks I will I just needed a little hand holding through this one. I wasn't sure if I had done something wrong I'm kind of working with a tight budget i hope to add more panels and batts eventually .
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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 01:27:56 AM »
Fuses are not very precise things and different types have different characteristics.


The ideal fuse will carry rated current indefinitely but will blow sooner or later above nominal rating. Your 80W panel under some conditions could exceed 5A but would be within the rating of most 5A fuses.


There is no chance of the fuse protecting a panel so as long as the fuse can protect the wiring then it will do it's job. In this case increasing the fuse rating to 10A will still protect your wiring if you have sized for sensible volt drop.


A decent quality industrial HRC fuse rated at 5A would have handled that load indefinitely, but many of the cheaper fuse types age and fail even at nominal rating if there is a long enough period at full rating.


In high voltage systems there is a lot more latitude and fuses can be sized considerably above normal load rating and still clear a fault quickly. With low voltage things there is less margin as the cable resistance reduces the fault current but in most cases using a fuse rating double the expected current is usually ok. You have to be very cautious on long cable runs but for inverters and similar on thick cables you need a fuse about double the expected current to avoid false tripping .


If you are using car type fuses they seem to blow very easily with even the slightest current over nominal.


If the thing blows a 10A fuse then something has gone wrong with the panel or its associated diodes .


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Spaz

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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 02:32:26 PM »
I placed a 10A fuse and its been fine although its fairly cloudy today so I'll have to wait and see. I meant I have a dummy light on my charge controller not my inverter in my last comment. I would like to thank everyone here for there input like "cloud edge effect, fuse to wire sizing and new panel max currents" I've been working on a wind genny and hope to post a pick soon.

thanks Spaz
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Re: PV Panel wiring size blowing fuses?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 07:46:52 PM »
I have an 80W solar panel rated 17.3V, 4.63A and I saw yesterday 5.0A on the digital meter. Probably it went even higher sometimes.


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