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imsmooth

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Basics: concrete 101
« on: June 23, 2008, 12:08:51 PM »
For my anchor points I was going to dig a 4-5' hole 2' in diameter (roughly).  I was going to place an anchor with an eye at the top and something like a scrap rotor at the bottom (welded or attached in some way).  I don't want to mix hundreds of bags of concrete.  Is it acceptable to just pour concrete to make a 2' layer at the bottom and then pour the earth back on top (another 2-3' vertical feet); or, do I need to fill the entire hole with concrete?  My tower will be between 35 and 40 feet tall with an 8.5' rotor.  Maximum winds in my area potentially are 80mph.  I'm figuring that the anchors don't need to hold more than 1000lbs maximum.
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Re: Basics: concrete 101
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 06:36:14 AM »
What type of soil do you have?
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Re: Basics: concrete 101
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 07:23:04 AM »
The first thing to consider is just what wpowokal said. Soil

composition. If it's swamp or loose sand, I'd much rather have

something the size of an Army tank at the bottom of the hole

than just an 8 or 12 inch rotor.


If you have access to a metal recycler (scrap metal yard), maybe

you can get pieces of old railroad track, or an old mobile home

frame, or truck frame. I think one of the Dan's even used a whole

engine as an anchor base. For a deadman, think weight and/or area.

If you take a piece of 1 inch pipe and weld it

in the center of a 3 or 4 foot piece of I beam (Put an eye on the other

end of the pipe for the guy wires), then bury that 3 or 4 feet down,

it will take quite a bit of force to pull that out of the ground.

We are still assuming you're not in the swamp or loose sand.


Then, if you have large rocks available, pile them on top of the

deadman and then your concrete. The concrete will make the rocks

into one huge rock. Then the rest of your backfill.  No more than

4-6 inches of fill at a time. Then tamp (compact) the back fill.

Then another 4-6 inches, then tamp. Also you cannot tamp dry dirt.

You cannot tamp mud either. It must be moist in order to compact.

It's just moist enough if you can squeeze it into a ball with your

hand (doesn't fall apart or squirt out through your fingers).


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imsmooth

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Re: Basics: concrete 101
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 08:20:18 AM »
After a 1/2 foot of dirt I have a heavy clay layer, followed by clay/sand.  The clay has a reddish/orange color and is hard to dig out.
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Re: Basics: concrete 101
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 09:19:57 AM »
I have done exactly what you describe

photos here:

http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/scorman1/Foldover%20tower/Tiltover%20implementation/

(click to enlarge photos, click again to make larger)


My total concrete was 1 yd sand, 1 yard gravel, 4 bags Portland = $50

backfill hunks of rock into wet cement

backfill with earth after set

I got fancy and cast a neat "cap" at soil level from old 5gal plastic bucket


few items ..

1" pipe with welded flange w/ 1/2" holes makes sold guy anchor

you can't weld brake rotors, weld/bolt crosspiece underneath

don't dig round hole straight down ...a slot sloping toward tower with 12inch small backhoe works

I poured one mixer load into bottom after setting anchor at 60 degrees towards tower

guys need to be out from base 1/2 distance of attachment height at top


My tower base was more complex ...that is a 4x4x4 ft hole, but used same 1" sched 80 scrap pipe, angle iron frame, (8) 5/8" bolts


BTW, great source for guy hardware:

http://www.baronsnaps.com/products_items.aspx?Category=Turnbuckles&Subcategory=Jaw+%26+Jaw&P
age=1


Stew Corman from sunny Endicott

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