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Sonshine

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What do I need?
« on: February 12, 2009, 06:07:32 PM »
Hi


I want to start putting together my first solar system that i can expand.  Can anyone suggest the components I will need.  I know I need:


Solar panel

charge controller

battery

power inverter


Have I missed anything?


Thanks!


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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 03:25:10 PM »
wire, overcurrent protection, grounding, and metering


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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 05:04:09 PM »
You don't even need an inverter if you run 12 volt automotive items straight from the battery like I do.

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Sonshine

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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 01:01:32 AM »
Hi


Thanks for this.  Can you elaborate on 'grounding' and 'over current protection'?  For example, if there are things you buy for this, what are they called?


I like the 12v idea, but I really want to use the appliances I have in the house if possible.


Thanks!


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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 10:58:30 AM »
What kind of appliances are you interested in powering with your inverter ?

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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 01:13:37 PM »
TV, DVD player, light, building up to a fridge and computer etc over time.


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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 03:14:33 PM »
"Show me the money"?

Hard to decide how much to spend until you know what to expect?


Rough and Basic


I have a DVD player that takes 10W.

LCD TVs can take under 50W.  My old 25" CRT TV takes 200W.  My Ma-in-Law's (15"?) LCD TV runs from a 12V power supply rated at 50~60W Max, IIRC.

CFLs take, well, whatever the bulb says.

Laptops take a lot less power than desk tops.  200W vs 60W?  Depends.


Shouldn't be a whole lot involved to get a couple hours use a day on those items, with a 400W inverter.


Keep in mind, a 100W solar panel is rated at max power.

Multiply the rated watts by 0.7 to get a better idea of what you have to work with.

And figure the solar insolation for the location at that time of the year.


With a 100W panel and 4 hours of insolation, expect to make an average of 280 watt-hours a day.


Multiply by 90% to take some losses into account.


So (100W x 0.7) x (4 hours) x (0.9) = 252WH per day.


With a 100W panel at a time and place getting 4 hours of insolation per day average...


A 13W CFL for 5 hours is 65WH.

A 60W LCD TV for 3 hours, 180WH.

A 10W DVD player for a 90 minute movie, 15WH.

Total is 260WH for that day.

Pretty close to breaking even.  


Cost of a 100W system is not that great a % more than a 50W system.


Conservation is better (and cheaper) than generation.

A 13W CFL makes the same light as a 60W incandescent.

A 60W LCD TV has a nicer picture than a 200W CRT TV.

ie: 3 hours a day with CFL and LCD is 219WH.  3 hours a day with incandescent and CRT is 780WH.  

Saved 561WH on this day, or about the output of TWO 100W panels.


And LCD TVs costs a lot less than 200W of solar panel,

let alone the cost of battery replacement, larger battery, larger inverter, larger controller.....


The fridge is a tough nut to crack until the system gets "a lot bigger".


Too much info?

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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 02:18:55 AM »
Hi


Thats extremely helpful!  In fact the most helpful info in one place I have seen so far!  Thanks!


Whats the best way of cracking the fridge?


I also saw on one website the idea of incorporating a back up generator that cuts in if the batteries are too low.  The gen recharges the batteries and supplies power to your system.   They dont seem too expensive over here.  Is that a good idea?


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Re: What do I need?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 09:55:56 AM »
Best way to crack the fridge is with lots of money.

Make that Lots of Money.


Fridges have a very high, and long lasting "surge current".  It takes maybe 10 or 20 times the name plate ratings to get it started.

It requires a large inverter to supply the surge, and the batteries must be large enough the voltage under the surge load does not drop far, making the inverter go into under-voltage shut down.


Meaning lots of power available to recharge the battery, lots of battery to supply the power, lots of inverter to get the fridge started.

Or a 12V fridge.

Or....


Google search the board (top right menu) for fridge, etc.  Tons of info on several options.


If the fridge concern is for short-term grid loss, I sent a 1000W Tripp-Lite with short cables (each the size of a mans thumb) to inlaws for a 2 week grid loss.  Connected it to a running mini van battery 3 or 4 times a day for ~45 minutes each.  Extension cord out the window.  Had to hit the inverters reset button a few times to get it working, and keep the mini van motor reving a bit high until it took, but it worked.

They could watch the TV news from the inverter too, after the fridge was running.


The back up charger is semi-common.  It is fine if no grid is available.

It is expensive and inefficient compared to the grid.

It can be hard on the batteries.


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