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Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« on: November 23, 2004, 10:11:08 PM »
 

  A quick apology for the enitre BS today. And a thank you, especially to Ifred and Rato who know what building is all about. Your comments were appreciated.


   there is simply too much work to get done. You guys taught me ALOT though, and if i dont make it back; i wont forget any of you.


  I feel sappy with this, but seriously...


   You guys know where to get a hold of me and the largly free/open database. Hope to get that email.


  This is not a retreat. Im just being the bigger man because i can already tell how long or ugly this will go (including getting banned).


   

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 10:23:27 PM »
i personally don't think anyone needs to go anywhere, and that includes you.


while i understand your mission and asperations, i also understand those points that jacquesm has leveled.


what i don't think is right is using this forum to "duke" it out, but.......


sometimes you got to stir the pot good and hard to see what rises to the top, sometimes it is just a bunch of burnt crud, and sometimes something tasty comes to the surface.


the point is maybe everyone can learn a bit from the exchange, even if it is what not to do to get so much hostility going.


perhaps everyone can cool off a bit and get back to more productive discussion as it relates to AE.


At the end of the day (that is where it will all end up anyway),  by next week nobody will remember who hit who, who was right or who was wrong anyway.


actually i find this sort of interchange much easier and far less frustrating than the long winded diatribes that surface from time to time on perpetual motion and over unity.


oh oh... there i go again with that crap....


sorry guys  :)


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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 10:41:07 PM »
Well.. its not so much that i wanna go, but i would get banned, tarred and feathered for that inflamitory insert he put in the post, and im not gonna just bend over and take it up the !!!.


  Also im not feeling very welcome. So, since i invite people to my place when i want them there, i'll expect the same.


                  Its been a hoot.

     Cant wait to actually get together with a few of you! (if that can ever still happen)


  (i dont run from fights i dont pick, i walk nice and tall.)


       

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Wrong apology
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 10:51:37 PM »
  Look till this point I wanted to stay out of this, I dont speak up much unless i have something of value to add, but I'm gonna do you a favor juiced.


 At this point I can tell you you are in no position to claim anything, things are about to go very badly for you.


 BUT Jacquesm is a fair guy and a public sincere apology to him will be the first thing that you best consider.


I have been around the block on how the law requrding internet works, I had volumes of books  I had to study daily while creating distance learning applications that were going to be used for international study. I have dealt with international, and internet law requarding much of what is happening here,


You have slandered jacquesm publicly without providing the proof publicly and offering  a 3rd party review of these claims. If you had proof or had actualy been damaged somehow it would have been in your best interest to keep it quiet and gotten proper law enforcement involved.


If its true about copywrite violations, you have plenty more to worry about also.


So it seems Jacquesm is holding all the cards at this point, and trust me he is willing to play it through. an apology which states what you are apologizing to him for, may be your best route at the moment. I can not speak for him in saying that would be enough, but it is a good idea,. You have his phone number also if you pay any attention, a phone call to discuss this may not be a bad idea either.


I also suggest reading Jacquesm's diary here would be a very good idea for you.


Good luck juiced


(btw the sig aint the problem its the over linking in the page body to your site for what appears to be a commercial interest, is whats become troublesome)

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 11:16:49 PM »
I think an apology from both sides is in order here. They've both behaved badly.

The worst thing that could happen here is that cliques are established. I see that happening here tonight.

Grow up !

What happens here is much more important than what either one of you think.

It's about joining together and using our minds to create something better.

Or have I missed something here?
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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 11:26:13 PM »
""actually i find this sort of interchange much easier and far less frustrating than the long winded diatribes that surface from time to time on perpetual motion and over unity.""


Yeah, way to go!!!!


I no longer post here under my "established" name because several of my posts that concerned HEAT PUMPS were flamed by you anti over unity guys. Now I see there are some posts here discussing using well water for cooling.


A recent "heat pump" post on here (not mine....) was DELETED because the powers that be thought it was another "over unity" thing and didn't realise it was a COP of over one device.


Oh well...  

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 11:27:51 PM »
yep



You missed the windtree saga, NTI, the link that juiced felt it was neccesary to insert into a discussion about ducted fans (a clear reference to a financial scam page, run by a company from Montreal, which coincidentially is also Juiced's residence), me calling him a traffic leech, and a copyright violator, which he pretty much admitted, and him calling me a criminal after some joker found it neccesary to change a page on his site. Which page - presumably the homepage, from the link he supplied - and what the text was he did not say. Then he went on to suggest I had caused someone else to do my dirty work for me, and to apologise to me because he does not want to lose IFred as a friend, which is not quite good enough.



And through it all tons of times the request for us to move to juiced.ca, which is what irritated me in the first place.



I'm sorry for taking up your valuable time with this, but this kind of stuff sometimes happens, I have never seen it derail like this before though, that's quite unusual.

 

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 11:32:29 PM »


Juiced, I think you should stick around, simmer down a bit and continue with your research and be active. Some people just need breathing room and time. I believe that Jacquesm is a good person as are you. If as I stated that both of you can come to terms and have a meeting of the minds and apologize to each other (as you seem willing to do so and have already proved) there is no reason to take this any further. You are both representing Canada in this chat room and as such your behavior is being monitored by all on both sides both in Canada and in the US. Consider the ramifications of a stupid dispute and taking this to the next level. I will not forgive you if you mess this up and mess with this board, that goes for both of you.


As far as internet law is concerned, since this is a public chat room and has no considerations towards how chats are handled and since the jurisdictions are such that they are not located in Canada, and the computer that they are handle on are in another country, I think it is MUTE, they will laugh this out of court regardless. And nothing will be gained accept the ridicule of the individuals that created the problem in the first place because neither can control themselves.


As for any type of web site copywrite violations, This is taken more seriously, but is not the responsibility of others except the copywrite holder to inform a web site of copywrite infringement. In other words, you can inform the copywrite holder of an infringement but you cannot tell the web site what to do if they have infringed and that includes any charges. Besides which, the original source of the copywrite information must inform the infringing web site to remove said copywrited information prior to any type of criminal investigations brought forth, in other words you must comply with removal before being charged, if you then do not remove then you are legally charged by that party.. And Canada has different laws then US. The internet laws as they stand are vague and changing, so this as far as I am concerned from juices point of view is mute as well.


So, we are at a crossroads and as I see it you should both make a public apology and forget about it, or take it to the next level, which in my opinion goes nowhere.


As for juiced, I don't think your going to be banned from this site with your present behavior, I think the guys are pretty much laid back. Don't worry about it.


The choice is yours guys, don't disappoint us and me.

« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 11:32:29 PM by iFred »

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 11:32:55 PM »
I agree. I took steps to avoid this ugliness. He DID start.


  I even gave him the chance to bring it to a private thread to avoid any of this defamation.


    My site is not commercial. Anybody can plainly tell that. I live in a tiny apartment with barely enough room for tools; you think i carry stock?!


        Over and over i see utter non-sense printed here about me and my site. Thats my problem. I dont care about jacqs personal views.


  He wants to get aggresive, mostly from what i can tell because he runs a site that is similar format and lower rank.


 I just want a word from the staff here. Read the first post (in which he starts) and read carefully through. Im definitly allowed to defend.


  its just unfortunate that only fools fall into fools games.


     As far as cliques go... i didnt know there was any other kind of rivalry going on.. just my defense.


   This sucks.

       

« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 11:32:55 PM by juiced »

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 11:40:52 PM »
Yeah you are right. how can anybody rep. if they are too busy flamming.


   So ...


  Sorry. AGAIN


  in fact there is alot i would like to tell you; just not here.

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 11:43:09 PM »
Juiced, you are selling solar panels right?


Fieldlines are selling magnets?


Where is the conflict of interest?


Juiced is not stealing traffic from fieldlines or otherpower he is just one more site that MAY provide answers to my questions.


 jacquesm has got a flea up his ass about something, so ignore him.


a couple of subscribers to this place have also joined another group that specialises in HEATING as this is yet another aspect of off the grid living.


I do not see a conflict of interests. The MORE resources the better.


Oh to add something to the group......


http://www.potters.org/categories.htm (quit laughing and read the burners and flue threads)


http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3548766086&cpv=1 (how to set fire to things....)


http://www.daycreek.com/ (how to build an energy efficient home. I highly reccomend you start at the first journal entry and read them all. )


AND I still check this place at least twice a day!


:)

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 11:45:10 PM »


P.S. I forgot one more thing. Juiced, if you have any type of copywrited material at all on your web site even of you are not sure, remove it immediatly without question. Do not wait for the copywrite holder to inform you. If they are contacted and check your site and see no copywrite information they will leave you alone. This also includes pictures of any kind.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 11:45:52 PM »
 " the windtree saga, NTI, the link that juiced felt it was neccesary to insert into a discussion about ducted fans (a clear reference to a financial scam page, run by a company from Montreal, which coincidentially is also Juiced's residence), "


  Is there something you know that i dont?! Like seriously man... what do you have against that horizontal mill?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


    Scam page? And yes... BTW


 FOR THE ONLY "STORE" LIKE part of my page, i would like to CARRY CANADIAN.


    You can ask any supplier ive talked to. I dont want chinese, paki, or any other foreign products. (if possible)


 No im not racist. Im f**king patriotic. And right now, your imflammitory comment is being fowarded to the owner of the page you keep flamming.

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 11:47:54 PM »
you just told the guy to pretty much wipe 90% of his site...



It's good advice though, no doubt about that. It will be a while before google will flush the cache though, and then there is the wayback machine, which afaik keeps thing forever, exactly to stop people from being able to 'rewrite' history on the web.

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 11:53:15 PM »
Now you really got me wondering...


 why do you keep calling that guy a scam? I can visit his location, personally and verify anything. I am in this for the greater good.....

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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 11:53:25 PM »
it's a vertical mill, not a horizontal mill, but that aside, it is a total scam.



(Mills are generally named after the axis on which they revolve, not after the orientation of the plane of rotation)



do a google on 'windtree' and ask around about a guy called 'NTI' that got recently axed from fieldlines for posting exactly the same kind of drivel.



Every few months / years this type of mill turns up in the media, always heralded as the 'next big thing' in windpower, this time it will 'really work'.



Only it never does... the windtree thing has gotten the awea involved to the point that they explicitly do NOT endorse it (windtree states otherwise), the NTI company is run by a bunch of ex cons, convictions and all, and the machine you are showing is a direct ripoff of the windtree. Plumbing has been slightly changed, but that's about it.



So, yes it seems I know stuff you don't. The fact that this machine is appearanlty made and marketed in your hometown does not help.

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 11:53:47 PM »
Well this seems a lot like armchair legal advice..

I suggest you look it up or ask someone who can to.


But if you would like to believe it, be my guest.

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 11:58:42 PM »
I have yet to hear a single word of apology from your direction jacquesm... Lets show everyone how polite Canadians are!

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2004, 12:03:14 AM »
I'm not a Canadian Fred :)



Or at least, not yet



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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2004, 12:03:48 AM »
J if there was any kind of marketing or info availible on A.E. in 'my hometown' (actually you are living in the midst of browns....) Juiced.ca would have never happened. Simple as that.


  Personally i have spoken to the gentleman more than once.. not that i was totally convinced.


    in anycase, why didnt you just state this fact? Personally i think you have issues that have nothing to do with anyone here. I noticed a certain... sterness in all your posts recently; but thats just me and i only read any of your posts recently. Starting with the diary entry that you didnt seem to reply to.


  All in all, ends to end. I wont support a SCAM and want to know more. (i could be alot richer than you in very short time if online scams were my thing, as everyone around seems to be into it with no PC experiance.)


  I dont like being called a scammer, liar, or anything else you called me. I hate to say it, but you honestly hurt my feelings. I value my integrity. News articles aside. :D

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2004, 12:35:02 AM »


You live here, act like it! Your now in Canada, your Canadian untill your no longer in this country or have been kicked out. Grow up!

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2004, 12:42:00 AM »


AND FOR THE RECORD, Juiced has appologized more the several times...


I have yet to hear a single word of apology from your direction jacquesm?


We are still waiting... The "balls" in your court so to speak... Pun intended..

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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2004, 12:45:53 AM »
yes, for whatever reason im still waiting.


 maybe because id rather make sense of this 'product' issue.... I knew there was a ... commercial perpective to the... burst...<?>


(im also waiting for server email, could be a while...)

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2004, 07:17:50 AM »
 I think this will help explain a lot of things here . . .


http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/8/10/9355/53640

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2004, 07:36:34 AM »
WASHINGTON (Hollywood Reporter) - Buried inside the massive $388 billion spending bill Congress approved last weekend is a program that creates a federal copyright enforcement czar.


Under the program, the president can appoint a copyright law enforcement officer whose job is to coordinate law enforcement efforts aimed at stopping international copyright infringement and to oversee a federal umbrella agency responsible for administering intellectual property law.


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=6893056

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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2004, 10:42:39 AM »
.. Im not sure i follow. Im a nebie so attack me? (just woke up from 4 hours sleep talking all technicall for the last hour.)
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Re: Just a quick apology to those unwilling.
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2004, 11:12:51 AM »
Hey now,


Lettuce by all means you should feel its right for you to post under your established name. I was worried about this ever since it happened. I think you just got cought up in a flame war that was trying to be put-out. You should know heat pump systems and other systems that identify conservation of energy losses, then atempt to conserve those losses are infact not considered over-unity systems. Sorry for the akward situation.


JW

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