Author Topic: Great news ! (Read 367 times)

marv · « **on:** March 21, 2006, 11:02:39 PM »

This is the news release from the Ontario goverment

today.

The power company will pay private producers

for renewable energy of "any size."

Thats 11 cents per kwh for wind and 42 cents for solar!

Heres the link:

http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/english/news/RenewableEnergy032106.asp

Marv.

willib · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:51:58 PM »

why is it less for wind?

26% of the solar money?

lol

MelTx · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:12:24 PM »

That is a step in the right direction no doubt....How much does the grid power co. sell its power for a k watt? I think we pay somewhere around 13.5 cents per kwh.

Do they make wires long enough to reach the "land of the grandmother" from Tx.

Reno · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2006, 06:51:42 PM »

buy one panel and tell them all the power you are sending is from the one panel. They will never figure out that it is more than the panel can do.

nothing to lose · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:55:28 PM »

Well if there's no strings or garbage to kill the deal, that's great news.

Yes, why though is wind suposed to be of lesser value than solar? What if you have running water like a large stream or small river, is that even lower or higher value?

A KW is a KW, regaurdless where it comes from and should be the same price also. I geuss they figure solar pannels cost more and produce less total power so cost to produce 1 KW is far higher so it's worth more?

Government and power companies etc... are not smart enough to figure other things like we do at times. Could be the higher rate for solar produced power is to incourage city dwellers to install more pannels where they would not actaully be able to raise a wind genny perhaps. I geuss anyone could mount solar pannels on about any house or apartment building or business anywhere in a city.

Perhaps that has something to do with higher rates for solar??

Scotth · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:02:01 AM »

Great news but the payback time on a large installation will probably benefit our kids more than us.Too bad they don't offer a nice rebate so the avarage person can afford to install a nice solar array.I'll keep all my RE stuff to myself,the less the government has to do with it the better.

Scotth

electrondady1 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:10:01 AM »

this is great news! i'm off to the hydro office to see whats required.

SmoggyTurnip · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:31:31 AM »

That has to be a mistake. 42 cents per kwh??

Thats 4 times more than they sell it for isn't it.

Countryboy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2006, 10:00:08 AM »

There are other factors to look at too folks. Since Canada isn't the sunniest country in the world, folks will have to buy a ton of PV panels to produce much solar electric. The cost to produce 1 KW of solar electric is going to be higher than the cost to produce 1 KW of wind electric.

I've heard that for every job you create, that money is turned over 7 times. How many jobs are going to be created making, shipping, and installing PV panels?

The 42 cents a KW does seem a bit strange, if they are only selling for 15 cents a KW, but it is possible to recoup their costs in the long run, by looking at total impact to the economy.

Good job Canada. Hopefully America will follow suit before it's too late. I live in Ohio, and our Governor recently offered incentives for wind electric...a 1.5 cent rebate on each KWH you produce with wind. Sounds great, but the fine print says that is only for 2.5 megawatt production or more.

marv · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:14:57 PM »

This is the link to the full report.

http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Storage/21/1686_SOP_Report_to_Minister-_Final.pdf

Marv.

erichtopp · « **Reply #10 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:57:02 PM »

Finally people in Ontario, Canada are waking up to renewable energy.

I must say that we're are at least 20 years behind the Europeans in getting slowly started.

We've been living the almighty energy consuming Great American Dream toooooooo long in these parts.

Now, would someone turn off the office lighting in the large corporate office towers at night when they leave please.

Keep your wind gennies turning and you solar panels pointed to the sun.

coldspot · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2006, 07:50:02 AM »

As Reno stated-

"buy one panel and tell them all the power you are sending is from the one panel"

But, if they ask.

Tell them it's magic and your using mirrors.

LOL

electrondady1 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:28:42 AM »

the local hydro distrib. knew nothing about it had not heard about it . showed no interst in it. i got the same look as i get every time i talk to them about windmills

wdyasq · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:55:09 AM »

Maybe they just want to get all the solar stuff located, where they can TAX it. And/or confiscate it in a time of government need?

Ron

marv · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2006, 09:25:09 AM »

electrondady,

This whole concept was just released by the

Ontario Gov. on march 21st. And now it's up to the

Ont. energy board and Ont. power authority to implement it.

They expect this will be ready for initial implementation

by the fall of 2006.

So it might take a while for the local power distib. staff

to be up to speed with this.

Most of the recomendations and details are in this report.

http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Storage/21/1686_SOP_Report_to_Minister_-%3Cem%3EFinal.pdf

Marv.

finnsawyer · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2006, 09:51:14 AM »

I'll take issue with the lack of sun power in Canada. I live at 47 degrees north latitude (in the U.S.) which is probably north of most of the population of Canada. Here in the summer we get sixteen hour days. If the solar unit follows the sun it can generate considerable power in the summer. In the winter when the winds pick up use wind power. By the way, London (England) is around 52 degrees north latitude.

There's no doubt the $.42 is excessive. That's typical socialistic double crunch. It looks like they're doing something progressive when they're really foisting uneconomical practices on the people. It's a tax on the power companies that will be passed on to all the other power users. It will encourage the installation of a large number of solar systems that are basically uneconomical, resulting in money being diverted from more productive uses. If the power companies can't pass on these costs then service will suffer. Good way to destroy an industry.

Waterfront · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2006, 01:18:03 PM »

I like the way you think, hehe...

ffoegw · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2006, 03:02:02 PM »

Ontario's Nuclear Generating Stations get paid 4.95 cents per KW Hour.

See the link:

http://www.theimo.com/imoweb/pubs/training/QT19_pricing.pdf

Regards

Geoff

electrondady1 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:51:47 AM »

can't get that link to work.

electrondady1 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:20:28 AM »

that's very odd , 3.3 cents per kwh for hydro electric and 5.95 for nuclear?

i wan't to find out whats required in the way of hardware to become a producer.

powerbuoy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:12:27 AM »

It is surely nice to get that kind of money for electricity you send into the grid. However, here is the reason why wind seems to be underfunded compared to solar. A typical home uses roughly 3KW per day in terms of power. To obtain the 40 some cents it'll be necessary to put more than that back into the system. For starters this would require at least 20 panels if the sun would shine 24/7. Who has that many on the roof? We are talking some serious dough here. Also, the is no sun shining 24/7. It might be easier to overcome this obstacle if you put a 10KW wind turbine in your backyard ... therefore some smart people have figured out that wind should not deserve the same kind of funding. So, who will finally benefit from the 40 cents payback? Only people who can afford, build and run a solar farm (somewhat government subsidized). Who could that be? How about Ontario power, the people who were supposed to give YOU the 40 cents for excess production. It all sounds nice on paper, but the average Joe will never see any more money then the typical buy back rate, maybe 11 cents?

Powerbuoy

marv · « **Reply #21 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:34:56 PM »

electrondady, sorry about the link. Try this link,

then click on the standard offer program

logo on the left side.

http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/

The bonus of this is when we get these smart

meters installed. The ones you are billed cheaper

for off peak hrs., you can sell to them in the day

time for 42 cents, then buy back at night for 6 cents.

Then put your water heater on a timer for night time.

And do your laundry then to.

Marv.

electrondady1 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 27, 2006, 06:14:58 AM »

marv thanks for those links . as long as the next gov. doesen't "pull the plug" on the idea, this might really help ont. my understanding is, up till now they were willing to buy electricity but you had to sign a contract for a specific amount . the minimum was a very large amount far beond the capabilities of a "little guy" to produce. so in a way , the game was rigged. so if i see this right , whatever i can make will go against my hydrobill. it would be sweet to get a government check at the end of each year.

ffoegw · « **Reply #23 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:17:39 AM »

electrondaddy,

"i wan't to find out whats required in the way of hardware to become a producer."

Me too.

It seems the installation also needs some geographical consideration.

Your mill needs to be near a transmission or distribution node.

I suspect they will ask us to pay for the hardware / wire link and for the safety / compliance inspection.

Let us know I you find anything else.

Geoff

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