Link explains why over-unity cant exist.

[gizmo]

Here is a interresting web page called "Why a car cant power itself", put together by a EV car builder. Worth a read.

http://galaxy22.dyndns.org/ev-talon/perpetual.html

If a message is posted that smells of over-unity, this link could be posted before closing the thread.

Glenn

[gizmo]

You know, I wonder if the idea of powering a car with a wind turbine started when someone saw the Dans driving down the road with a windmill mounted on the front bumper!

[halfcrazy]

Dont laugh we where asked that when we had the 10 ft machine bolted on the car

[windstuffnow]

It's actually being done by several groups.  Not full size cars but small vehicles.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=1001

I posted a link about them some time ago when someone posted about the wind car but it was removed as if it were some overunity device... nothing overunity about it... slow maybe but it works...

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[kurt]

windstuffnow, blame me i hid your story and not because it was overunity but because you were trying to continue a twice locked story and wdyasq had posted that same link you posted in a comment of the original or the continuation of the story you were trying to continue anyway so it was kinda pointless and just bound to cause us more trouble so i hid it. we have to draw the line somewhere

[Capt Slog]

There's also a TV advert running in the uk at the moment for a greener car.  Lined up in the bacground are a number of "inventions", one of them being a car with two windturbines on the front.  It wouldn't surprise me if we get someone asking if it was possible :-)  .

The wind powered machine posted below by Ed....I'll bet it's not as quick as me in my kite buggy.  35mph down the beach in May before I had to reign it in and admit defeat due to the fact I couldn't hold it any longer.

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[acapulco]

what is this OMFG fear of "overunity"?

you speak of it as though it is the devil himself....

Is there sokme kinda "overunity" devil that reaks havoc upon anyone that dare speaketh

his name...

[ruddycrazy]

Sheesh Kurt has become da overunity devil

[Airstream]

There is no Debil about it - just human nature. This site prides itself on DIY windpower that anyone can learn to build if they want. There are plenty of hustlers' web sites out there for fictional technology or crippled circuits being ascribed 'magical' powers. This ain't one of them.

[tanner0441]

Hi

The only way I can see to get a wind powered car.... Is put a cow in the back with the ascociated plumbing.

Another daft thought..

Brian

[fcfcfc]

Hi:

For me, the question is not whether over unity can exist, that answer is easy. The harder question I believe is, if a particular process "X" could work, would it be breaking over unity. AN example: suppose a process was discovered where water with the addition of a catalyst could be subjected to an energy source which reduces the bond between the H and O, such that the energy used to separate in total was smaller then the energy yielded upon normal recombination (such as heat or fuel cell electricity). Would this be breaking over unity..??..

.....Bill

[boB]

What ?    I was over unity more than 53 years ago !

Maybe it IS possible ?

boB

[spinningmagnets]

Dear acapulco, the question isn't why do people here "OMFG fear" overunity...

The question is, if you are interested in overunity, why are you asking OU questions here?

There are a lot of people over at "oupower.com" who are very receptive and supportive about unusual questions and ideas concerning OU.

Asking an OU question here is like asking a very experienced plumber a question about the electrical code. SACA is very useful for steam questions, HAES is helpful with Stirling engine questions, endless-sphere is great for electric bicycle questions...

Why do OU people keep asking this site to change?

[ghurd]

Because people at this site make stuff that works, and answer questions?

Might be "hard" to find an OU site with something published that actually works?

Harder to get a question answered about something OU that works?

I am not against "OU" study because it could lead to higher efficiency, but I'm not going to read about every crazy idea based on 'hope', and I'll only read about the one that works when I see it on every front page in the world.

G-

[Bruce S]

fcfcfc;

 The biggest problem is that in order to know what the effiency of the catalyst is , we need to know how much energy was needed to create that catalyst.

The (ou) "math" normally forgets to add these needed numbers in.

Instead of trying for (ou) , the better route would be higher eff. , which is why electric heating looks so good. Heat from electric is about as high eff as you can get by doing normal math, BUT how did you get the start of that elec. heat? did it come from burning wood, gas, coal ? etc. The debate can go on and on.

When people get into the "math" and start talking (ou) I only half listen, unless they have all the math numbers to support it. Haven't had any luck yet.

Cheers

Bruce S

[bigkahoonaa]

A catalyst won't work that way.  A catalyst will only decrease the activation energy needed to get a reaction going, not the difference in energy between starting materials and products.  A catalyst only makes the reaction go faster.

[Bruce S]

True; but the energy needed to create the catalyst needs to be included in the math even if it was already here or a by-product it still took energy to make the catalyst.

[fcfcfc]

Hi:

Yes, but, if you are applying "Z" units of energy to a process without a catalyst  and a catalyst is now added which, lets say 4 folds the reaction, in the above process "X", do you not have to be reducing the HO bond to produce that result..??..

I agree the energy to produce the "Cat" has to be added, but if the "Cat" is a true "Cat", then it doesn't partake in the reaction. Depending on the longevity of the "Cat", its initial energy used for creation could be miniscule comparing to the liberated energy of the reaction.

.....Bill