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perpetualthinker

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Mirror Power
« on: August 07, 2004, 06:29:11 PM »
Hey,

   What would happen if I was to have 6 square miles worth of mirrors reflecting light through a magnifing glass into one point? What would be the max tempurature i could get by using mirrors to reflect light to one point?

Thanks for your time:-)
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2004, 01:17:26 AM »
It's approximately 12 billion watts of power, assuming 750W per square yard. A nuclear reactor is around 1 billion watts.
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edy252

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 04:11:09 AM »
your magnifying glass and ANYTHING that will be in the focal point would burst into fumes!! :)
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2004, 05:12:14 AM »


  Maybe start a little smaller and get some data to work with

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2004, 06:47:19 AM »
 We talked a little about this before, but not on a 6 sq. mile scale.


http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/7/9/82127/95247

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Tom in NH

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2004, 07:44:22 AM »
"your magnifying glass and ANYTHING that will be in the focal point would burst into fumes!! :)"


Imagine a satellite.

Imagine it with with six square miles of mylar spread out.

Imagine it positioned so as to create a distant focal point.

Maybe on the earth's surface.

Star wars?

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edy252

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 11:59:45 AM »
yes....


imagine an area of length 2 miles and width 3 miles (for example, just to have an area of six square miles)....imagine the amount of power existing fom the sun at this whole area and focused on one point!!! that's a hell lot of power...


(anyone watched 007 - DIE ANOTHER DAY?)

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 06:46:11 PM »
Just stick the foacl point WAY out away from anything you want to remain there.  No houses, people, rocks soil, etc. . .


Just in sace it moves a microdegree up there in space. . .a micro-degree of rotation on the satellite would be several miles of deviation down here and it would just burh up everything around it (the focal point)


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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2004, 06:44:13 AM »
Focus it up into Geosynchronous Orbit and wipe out a ring of satellites...
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2004, 09:03:53 AM »
not the one running this board  plz ;-)
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2004, 09:41:57 AM »
Take a look at my posting titled "After Fossil Fuels" of April 10 this year.
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2004, 11:52:17 PM »
One of Arthur C Clarke's early short stories is about an annual soccer game between 2 rival countries, where the visiting team supplied the referee (and consequently always won the game).


In this particular game the programmes were larger than usual - about 18 inches by 12 - and made with a nice shiny aluminium cover.  All of the home team's spectators were seated on the sunny side of the 50,000 seat stadium.  The kick-off was made, the referee made his first biased decision of the game, and FOOMP - he disappeared in a puff of smoke and a greasy patch of grass.  The substitute referee was much more even-handed, and the game was a draw. ;-)


BTH

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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2004, 03:08:07 AM »
i've read that story...it's in a book that has a collection of stories (i saw that in grade 6 :) )
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2004, 03:35:37 AM »
The maximum theoretical temperaure is governed by the energy of the photons so concentrated. This depends on the wavelength of light, but for sunlight reaching the earth is aroung 6000 Centigrade. (the average temperature of white light)
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Re: Mirror Power
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2004, 01:56:18 PM »
Imagine the garbage normally landfilled vaporized in that concentrated solar energy and the constituent products separated and condensed for recycling.  Bio fuels, metals, all kinds of useful products.  Then electricity and heat produced from the waste heat in the condensor, with distilled water as a further by product of the power generation.


Forget the magnifying glass though and use a compound parabolic reflector to concentrate the input from the mirror field.


Solar powered landfill and trash mining with energy as a by product.  But you don't need six square miles.  One mile would be plenty.  Instead of landfills taking up more and more square miles, permanent energy facililities that recycle everything.


Oh and gardens under the tracking mirror fields where a micro climate that would be cooler than  the surrounding desert would be created, but containing enough incidental solar light to still grow plants.


Much nicer than ever growing landfills, dried up rivers for water for southwestern cities, and fossil fuel plants to feed electricity to homes.


The garbage processing could be combined with manufacturing. Since the metals would be vaporized they could be brought to a liquid state and molded, or precipitated as powdered metal for compression molding processes used in many manufacturing techniques, such as common forged metal parts like hand tools.

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