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elektronix

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Solar PV + battery + LEDs - Feedback Appreciated
« on: August 24, 2004, 01:12:54 AM »
Hi,

I would appreciate your feedback on my calculations for a solar PV + battery +

LED system.


I am assuming NiCd battery can be discharged to 1.0 V and charged to 1.41 V.

A red LED needs about 1.8 V, and a blue LED needs up to 2.4 V, to get the

rated light. Therefore, I can use two batteries to power the red LED, but

I need three batteries to power the blue LED (two discharged batteries

have 2.0 V and the blue LED needs 2.4 V).   So, building a toy with red and

blue LEDs I need three batteries. I don't want to use voltage up-converters /

charge-pumps.


I want to power four bright LEDs with 20 mA each.


Option 1.

Four LEDs in parallel, requiring 80 mA total.

Assuming a winter night at 12 hours (at least), I need 12 * 80 = 960 mAh or ~1 Ah.  

Therefore my battery set needs three batteries at 1 Ah each, as batteries are

connected in series.

Batteries will be charged up to 3 * 1.41 V = 4.23 V. Assuming a solar cell

giving 0.49 V with a load (sunny day), I need 9 cells (9 * 0.49 V = 4.41 V).

And here comes a problem, I measured recently voltage and current from

a cell in a direct sun, and then with clouds.  Cloudy day (Summer-time) gives

about 75 % less current (1/4)! That was what I measured! A cloudy winter day

will give even less.  Open circuit voltage dropped to 0.48 V.   Loaded cells

output about 12 % less voltage, giving about  0.48 V * 0.88 = 0.42 V.  All of

that means, I need significantly overdesigned solar panels to work with heavy

winter clouds for a week or more - at least where I live.   I need 10 cells

("almost" delivering voltage), and those cells need to be rated with four

times higher current - 4 times bigger ????


Lets assume I will charge batteries with 200 mA for five hours. That will

give me 1 Ah. When NiCd batteries are charged at at C/5 (one fifth of capacity;

200 mAh is 1/5 of 1 Ah) efficiency factor is about 63 % (0.63), so I need

to increase current, 200 mA / 0.63 = 317 mA.  Now, with winter clouds, I will

need a factor of four, and cells need to be rated at

4 * 317 mA = 1268 mA (~1.3 A).  

Is that right?   That's a huge difference in size and costs.   Something

may not be right in my cloudy assumptions.


What do you think about my calculations, so far?


Current saving can be done having a full light for 5 hours, and then dropping

by 1/2 to 10 mA per LED, and finally turning off, if batteries are discharged.

Note: turned off LEDs at night might be viewed as a malfunction of the system.

Total capacity of a battery system is now at 5 h * 80 mA + 7 h * 40 mA = 680 mAh.

The charging current drops relatively (680/960) * 317 mA = 225 mA or the

oversized one at (680/960) * 1268 mA = ~900 mA.

What is the size of a cell delivering 900 mA?  It looks like 2 x 2.5 inch

Multi-Crystalline, 15 % Conversion Efficiency.


Still, lots of current.  And more, self discharge of about 2 % per day

(5 % at hot days) adds the charging current.  


Option 2. Lets see how it looks for having two diodes in series? (Two

branches with two diodes each)


I need 40 mA of current.  Two blue LEDs need 4.8 V, so I need five batteries in

series.  Capacity calculates as 12 h * 40 mA = 480 mAh (~0.5 Ah), allowing

for AAA NiMH battery.

I have five batteries now.  Charging voltage is 5 * 1.41 V = 7.05 V.

How many PV cells needed?  Assuming cloudy day  7.05 / 0.42 V => 17 cells !!!

That's painful :-(  :-(  :-(

With current saving option I need capacity of 5 h * 40 mA + 7 h * 20 mA = 340 mAh

Five hour charging at C/5 and 0.63 efficiency requires (340/5)/0.63 = 108 mA.

That's as a major difference in current ... but ... I need to increase by that

factor of ?four to compensate for a winter cloudy day, so, cells rated at

about 400 mA are needed.  

The size of a PV cell delivering 400 mA is 0.9" x 2.5".


Option 1: surface is 10 * 2" * 2.5" = 50 inch^2

Option 2: surface is 17 * 0.9" * 2.5" = 38 inch^2  (19" * 2 ")


If I would calculate the cell surface without the cloudy day factor, I would need

for Option 2 -  8.5 " * 1 " of cells - not bad, but ...


Conclusion:  going with two branches (two LEDs each) requires less PV cells.

Also, voltage is higher, allowing easier building of a control system.


Your feedback is appreciated!


Elektronix

« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 01:12:54 AM by (unknown) »

commanda

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Re: Solar PV + battery + LEDs - Feedback Appreciat
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2004, 03:12:48 AM »
Do you really need the Led's on 100%. If they're marking an emergency exit, or the hallway to the bathroom, for instance, a short pulse every second, or several, will drastically reduce the ampere hours required of the battery, whilst still fulfilling their intended function.


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« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 03:12:48 AM by commanda »

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Re: Solar PV + battery + LEDs - Feedback Appreciat
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2004, 08:32:21 AM »
The first thing you have to do is connect a power supply to your specific LED and measure the current at your maximum battery voltage. If you are charging the batts to 2.82 for two then use this voltage.You might find the current is over 20 ma. on the LED.

You may not want to drive the batteries down into the 'mud' on discharge.


Also I find there is very little difference in the light output at 20 ma. and lower current so you may be able to get away with, say, 15 ma. for a longer time.


I know you said you didn't want to use alternate circuits but I get better results with them. I'm using the MIC5014 from Micrel to drive an 'N' type Mosfet in a high side application with very high efficiency. You might want to check out their chip.

RobD

« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 08:32:21 AM by RobD »

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Re: Solar PV + battery + LEDs - Feedback Appreciat
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2004, 06:26:50 PM »
This LED series resister calculater is very usefull !

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/led.htm

« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 06:26:50 PM by wooferhound »

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Re: Solar PV + battery + LEDs - Feedback Appreciat
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 05:38:44 PM »
I would definatly recomend a PWM based upon your length of service per charge concerns.  Easy circuit to build using a standard 555 timer some resistors and a few capacitors.  If designed correctly it can cut your power consumption drasticly.  I designed one for use with my deck lights and get the added benefit of being able to dim my white leds.


Joel

« Last Edit: November 02, 2004, 05:38:44 PM by Joel »