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cashsale

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Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« on: June 11, 2006, 01:44:28 AM »
I was equalizing 24 golf-cart batteries and about an hour into it my CO alarm went nuts. I had some ventilation going, but apparently not enough.


I knew that hydrogen could reach explosive levels, but I don't recall any mention of lethal levels of CO being emitted during the process. False alarm or misunderstanding on my part?

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Nando

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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2006, 07:53:08 PM »
False alarm, I think - it may be possible that your CO2 detector may go nuts with free hydrogen.


Just do an equalization and place the detector next to one of the valve escapes to determine if your detector is sensitive to free Hydrogen .


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jimjjnn

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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2006, 09:53:21 PM »
Some co detectors even go off above a cat litter box.
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cashsale

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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 10:28:44 PM »
That's reassuring, thanks. I didn't think I had heard of CO being an issue.
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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2006, 01:57:16 AM »
given the lightness of H2 it must have been something else that triggered the alarm

because any Hydrogen that was in the room would be crammed against the ceiling
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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2006, 10:15:57 AM »
Except for the plastic or tar case (which won't be reacting unless there's an arc against it) there's no carbon source handy where the oxygen might be able to react with it.  (If it did, it wouldn't stop at monoxide).


But CO detectors are pretty fragile and react in various ways to many chamicals, and ate sensitive to EXTREMELY small numbers of molecules.  Some set them off (and generally damage them), others damage them without setting them off.  Either makes them useless for their intended purpose.


Meanwhile, a gassing battery has little bubbles popping, and that throws a bunch of stuff into the air:  Hydrogen, oxygen, water vapor and tiny droplets, sulphur trioxide, sulphuric acid, maybe a bit of lead sulphate.  Extremely low pH.  (That's why you get corrosion at the terminals even if you haven't spilled any electrolyte on them.)  There's a LOT of sulphuric acid in the battery, so the tiny amount that's lost doesn't bother it in a decade or so of service - though it bothers stuff around it something fierce.


Oxygen wouldn't be a problem, hydrogen I'd guess not.  Some of the others might react with the detector - in particular, the sulphuric acid and sulphur oxides.


You've probably damaged the detector.  Replace the sensor (if it is replacable) or buy a new one, and mount it as far from the batteries as possible.  Vent your battery box to the outdoors.

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Re: Carbon monoxide while equalizing
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2006, 10:58:44 PM »
Hello cashsale,


Most, but not all CO detectors use a sensor sensitive to combustible products.

They respond to CO, H2, natural gas, propane, butane etc.

One CO sensor data sheet showed sensitivity about half for H2.

So a 2ppm displayed reading is actually 4ppm. Your's could be different.


Unlikely have you damaged your CO detector.

But it did tell you it found H2, meaning you may need better ventilation.

If your's does not have a reading then add ventilation to be safe.

Hydrogen is explosive >4% or 40,000ppm.

H2 will rise, it can accumulate in pockets... having much higher concentration.

I like the CO with reading, Costco has one for $25. I keep mine high up.


I was thinking of using a CO detector to control the fan in a battery box, that way the fan didn't need to be on all the time, yet would be when there was H2 present. Only needed small battery to operate it. If you try this DO NOT use a relay.

Have fun,

Scott.

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