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« on: March 03, 2008, 02:09:33 PM »
Well I bought a Futurenergy 1kW FE 1048 48V turbine from the manufacturer.

I was very impressed with the build quality.

Unfortunately its pretty much useless as at generating power.

It ducks and weaves in the slightest wind gust.

When it is pointing at the wind it produces very little power prior to furling out.

Conclusion.....Well built,poorly designed TOY. Looks great, but does bugger all else.

Also .. the communication and service from Futurenergy was almost ZERO. As soon as I had problems. They didn't want to know me. Would not return my calls or emails.

And Being in Oz its a bit hard to drop in to the shop for a refund.

They also do a nice trick with the graphs by rating the power points at different voltages. What power does it produce at 57.6V in 6m/s wind ? The answer is sweet

Bugger-all.

My guess is the PMG  Voc is too low and its Internal impedance is too low.

The PMG curve doesnt match the blade characteristics


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This seem to have turned into a Manufacturer bashing thread. Spacejunk: take your complaints to them in writing we do not need this here and it cannot be fixed by us, either. [CLOSED] and will just go away later in the day.  I removed your other complaint thread from today about yet another manufacturer, also. See the pattern here?

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2008, 08:35:32 AM »
Since it sounds like it has a furling problem, why not make some measurements of the furling mechanism and post them.  There are users of this site that might advise you how you could modify it yourself.  It is also possible someone screwed it up during manufacture.  Or it may be designed to be adjustable.  Since you can't get a reliable voltage reading you might measure the lead to lead resistance.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2008, 10:18:29 AM »
The power curve looks very optimistic for a 6ft machine. I have difficulty achieving such a performance with a 6ft machine with cube law tracking. I seriously doubt that you could even approach it with direct matching.


Even so are you sure you don't have it in a turbulent environment, all the symptoms strongly suggest that you might have. If so there is no way that it is going to perform.


I seriously doubt that an iron cored pmg will produce power at 3.2m/s with the iron loss that is inevitable.


Without having test figures on the alternator there is no way to confirm or deny their figures. I also doubt that that alternator would run continuously at 1kW for many minutes but if you accept that the 1kW rating is a dream then there is no reason why the thing shouldn't be able to give some sort of reasonable results unless their claims are very wide of the mark.


As you are stuck with it, if you have the facilities it would pay you to run a bench test on the alternator to get some idea if their claims are even vaguely realistic. if you can prove that there is no chance of anything like a decent output you would be in a better position to challenge them.


For a reasonable match with a machine of that size I would expect you to see cut in below 10mph and something in the region of 300W at 20 mph. I really can't believe you are going to see much better with direct connection to a battery.


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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2008, 10:53:51 AM »
Hi


I have the 1kW (48V nominal) PMG from FuturEnergy, and it's fairly stiff to turn from cogging, even unloaded.  I can't imagine that it would work well in low winds, even given my near total ignorance of blade design.


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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2008, 11:11:14 AM »
I am not surprised and I also suspect that the drag from iron loss is worse than the cog. Looks as they have partly addressed this with high torque blades but I doubt that it will do much below 10 mph.


Those things are very cheap, they likely use low grade iron and small air gaps to cut cost.


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Re: Futurenergy...just a toy
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 12:57:10 PM »
Has anyone taken any wind measurements?
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2008, 01:43:28 PM »
I have a feeling there is trouble with the wind and if it is turbulence amongst obstructions wind measurements will also be meaningless. Some pictures of the site may tell us quite a lot.


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Re: Futurenergy...just a toy
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 03:48:06 PM »
Hello,


I can't find a picture of the mill you are refering to. Is it a 6' diameter mill?

Can you you tell us a link or give a picture of the mill so we can see it?

Maybe you can change the furling.

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2008, 05:28:25 PM »
Play with that tail making it longer would be easy add some weight you may be able to tune it up.
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Re: Futurenergy...just a toy
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2008, 05:53:13 PM »
Here is a link to the same turbine and PMA    


http://energistar.com/?gclid=CIWjm4HE0ZECFT00FQodrRDebA


Glad I didnt buy it knowing now of the problem. I kept thinking it was too good to be true. Sorry you have so much trouble with the bugger.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2008, 06:34:20 PM »
Yeah thats right, someone should tell all those windmill manufacturers that their alternator designs are no good because they are suffering from iron losses.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2008, 06:49:31 PM »
Are you willing to trade 4X+ the price for an ironless version? I'm not.


-Just my opinion, no offense intended.

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Re: Futurenergy...just a toy
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2008, 07:08:56 PM »
Thanks, I can see a picture now.  

1000W 'Nominal'/ 600watts Actual.  

I don't believe their rating chart either. Those blades have a lot of drag with 25 degree angle toward the root to over-come cogging start-offs.

Still seems the furling is way too early. Maybe duct tape the furling down temorarily and see how much better it does??

One good thing though, its a quite a quiet mill since it goes under 600rpm. That means more to me than just "Maximum power". (and to my neihbors)

300 watts max would still be very useful to me for a 5.5' diam mill.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2008, 07:38:49 PM »
I see the 600w actual is for the 12v version.


Of course we all presume it is hooked to a 48 volt battery system. If a 48volt alternator is hooked to a 12v battery it will stall badly and could possibly appear to furl early. Inotherwords, it could appear to be all screwed up.(horrible performance)  -Just a quess I quess.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2008, 08:17:42 PM »
I agree, I was been sarcastic.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2008, 02:29:39 AM »
No commercial manufacturer is going to chase 10W at 7mph, that is not going to sell anything. To them it is more important to get high figures in winds that we hardly ever see. It is far more impressive to sell a 1kW machine than a realistically rated 300W one. Cost is a major issue and few will choose to use better grade iron to gain a few watts at the low end when it makes not a scrap of difference to the maximum output.


The iron loss is not that big an issue as long as it doesn't prevent start up and production below 8 mph. In some areas producing at 10 mph is ok. The thing is that they shouldn't claim results at 3.2m/sec.


For machines bigger than 10ft the iron loss fails to be much of an issue even with poor design.


Surprisingly many could benefit from raising the cut in speed of the air gap machines and skewing the performance to higher wind speeds but when you can get something at 6mph it is difficult to reject it. Without studying the wind pattern in an area it is not easy to know where to make the trade off.


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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2008, 08:10:10 AM »
Sorry you got such disappointing performance from the Future Energy turbine.


I suspect it has to do with turbulence or a low tower. Those machines are really not designed as wind mills. They are basically bolting industrial fan blades to a bicycle hub motor.


I too find the ratings hard to believe, specially due to the size of the generator as compared to the high output at low rpms.


Anyway, here's a post from a fellow who got about 500 watts in reasonable winds and 1 kw during a storm. He did comment on the bad low wind performance


http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/5/1/14336/56487


If you can show us some pictures of your installation, I am sure some of the more experienced DIYers here will find a solution to your problem.


Good luck!

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2008, 01:57:54 PM »
Can you tell me where you bought it from is it from south wales which is where I live
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 01:10:51 PM »
They are near stratford upon avon.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
Hello everyone, I am a newboy here, but I must add that I have a slight bias towards Futurenergy as I sell their turbines... (energistar.com)


Whilst I agree that the FE turbines do not like gusty conditions, I would also agree with those that suggest the siting of the turbine is of primary importance, it must be  in a clear airstream away from any turbulence from buildings, trees etc. These were designed to operate in a planar airflow, in a normal average airstream they produce 90% of their power below 500 watts, having said that I have an email from a FE user in the Arctic who was surprised to find he was getting 55 amps at 24v (1320 watts), in a gale!

I would mention that his turbine is still working fine....


There are a number of suggestions I would make to spacejunk, check his surroundings for a clear high area devoid of trees and buildings and move the turbine to there, make sure it is on a tower that is high enough to give the turbine a chance, and I know this may sound absolutely ridiculous but check that the tail fin is on the right way round.. (we have had examples of this!)The fin should kink to the left when standing in front of the turbine.


In closing I would like to say that I have dealt with Futurenergy over the last year or more, and have only had 1 turbine returned that was faulty and they replaced it without hesitation. I also know of the lengths they go to for quality control, for instance all blades are kept at a constant temperature in storage and weighed to give a matching set that should need very little balancing if any, before delivery to the customer.


As with everything in life - nothing is perfect - but some try harder than others...


Regards to you all


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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2008, 06:40:27 PM »
Another point that I missed which may be pertinent is that he asks "What power does it produce at 57.6V in 6m/s wind?" If you check out the power curves it should produce 54-55 volts into a 48v bank at 6m/s. I do not understand where he gets the figure of 57.6 from... and what is he actually asking?


My apologies for going on, I will be quiet now


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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2008, 06:39:41 AM »
To see a continuation of this thread check out http://energistar.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2008, 11:15:50 PM »
Its great to be reading some constructive feedback rather than the unprofessional  rubbish posted by  "Peterfutur" of  FuturEnergy at http://energistar.com/PHPbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14&p=20&hilit=futurenergy#p20


To answer some questions.

My prime motivation for purchasing the FE 1048 was to assess its performance with the intention of becoming an Australian Dealer for the product. I made this very clear to the manufacturer at the time of ordering. I was well aware that this turbine did not produce as much power at low wind speed as some other 1kW rated turbines available in Oz, but it was much better value $/W from spec's. The Data Logger that I was looking at to measure the performance has turned out to be less accurate than I require and thus have still not got a logger. Having witnessed the performance out of the box, it quickly became obvious that I don't need a logger to tell me how bad this FE turbine performs. This is why I do not give any specific wind speed or power figures as yet.

I was also well aware that my wind site is not ideal for a HAWT installation, but was the best site on my property. The Winds from NW thru West (predominant) to SW are clear from significant turbulence. It is only the performance of the turbine in wind from this direction that I have considered.

I do not expect any turbine to perform well in any other wind conditions at my site.

So considering ONLY good, strong clear winds:


1. With the standard tail fitted, the turbine will not stay pointed at the wind for long enough to make much power. Although that's pretty much the key point, I will offer some of my ideas and observations as to why this is.:

1a. The tail is quite short, and is mounted at quite an acute angle to the line of the blade axis.

      This is to compensate for the offset of the blades to the pole mount as required to allow the furling mechanism to function. Thus the tail seems not to command the direction of the blades as it should.

1b. The small diameter, 5 blade design seems to create quite a "void" behind the blades especially in high winds. Even with my "Long Tail Mod" the tail tends to oscillate back and forth within this void, (see 5. below)

1c. The 5 blade design allows for 10 points of minimum resistance to change of direction. Comparing this; A 1kW two blade HAWT, of say >3m diameter, Has only two positions per rotation where the resistance is a minimum. Just a thought, one would need to do the math.

1d. The standard pitch pins supplied with the turbine set the blade pitch at 25°. This is more suitable for higher wind speeds. (Futurenergy sent me some 28° pitch pins that, may improve the performance in normal winds.) This, coupled with the high start up RPM of the PMG means that in moderate winds, where one would be hoping for at least a small amount of power output, the turbine is not producing any power at all and thus the blades are not loaded. This lack of blade loading means that when the wind drops suddenly, the spinning blades act as a propeller and push turbine in the opposite direction to its furling direction (I hope that makes sense). This sends the assembly into a spin, so even if the wind recovers its velocity quickly, the turbine is not pointing at the wind for to take advantage of it. Points 1a, 1b, 1c above contribute to this problem.


2 . Look at ANY specification for any wind turbine . You will notice that FuturEnergy are one of the few that have shown at what Battery Voltage the reported turbine power is measured at. The FE turbine for example, looks like it produces a little bit of power at low wind speeds. But the battery voltage is 52V. My experience is that at an Absorbtion Voltage of say 57.6V, the turbines Open Circuit voltage is not high enough to pass any current to the batteries at all. This is a whole topic that needs to be explored and manufacturers should be pushed by the consumer to provide power figures at a fixed voltage, representing normal Float, Absorption, and Boost charging modes.

2a. My calculations suggest that he PMG needs more windings, and a subsequent higher internal impedance to start generating earlier. Perhaps achievable by changing to a Star wound stator from the standard Delta connection. BUT this may cause excessive heat to be generated in the PMG in high winds .

3. I'm not worried about Iron Loss.

4. I don't consider Cogging to be a problem. As long as the wind speed required to start the turbine spinning is less than the speed at which the turbine starts generating.

5. THE LONG TAIL MOD.

In an attempt to improve performance by getting the blades pointing at the wind, I extended the length of the tail beam using 25mm aluminium tubing to about 2m total. This was a quick and dirty test and I expect that some improvement can be made by altering the fin angle. Also, this mod prevents furling in high winds, and adds additional weight to the assembly. Further design is needed to finalise this mod.

The photos tell the story. The turbine now stays pointed at the wind and generates quite good power. Although the tail still seems to wander about in the void behind the blades, this mod is vast improvement on the standard tail design.

6. The turbine is generally low in noise output. However it is noisy when the blades are not loaded and the wind speed is dropping (blades are acting as a propeller)

Conclusion.:

If FE were to make some modifications to the tail design, I reckon this turbine would no longer be just a great looking, well manufactured toy, but a value for money product.


That's it from me for now, Ill post the final mods if /when I get around to it.

I've got a bathroom to renovate, and an Internet shop to set up.


Happy Trails.


<BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_Tail_2.JPG" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_Tail_3.JPG" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_tail_looking_South.jpg" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_tail_looking_SoutWest.JPG" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_tail_looking_to_the_West.JPG" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Solar_Tracker_FE_on_hill.JPG" width=80%><BR><BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Solar_Tracker_2.JPG" width=80%><BR>

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2008, 11:22:12 PM »
Malcolm,

Hmm... I'll try to explain.

My example of 57.6 V is the Absorbtion-mode Battery voltage (Vabs) setpoint for my Plasmatronics controller (equiv to 14.4V with a 12V system). It might be 57V or 60V on other installs. The voltages you have quoted, 52V-55V, are not even up to Float voltage which would normally be (55.2V at the very least)let alone up to the 57-60V Vabs.

Thus the turbine is not capable of contributing to the Absorbtion Mode Current whatsoever in a 6m/s wind. This is of particular importance on an overcast day, and indeed one of the primary motivating factors behind installing a Wind turbine to suppliment PV sourced energy.

This is because no current can flow to the batteries until the rectified open circuit voltage (Voc) of the turbine output exceeds the battery voltage itself.

For Example : If the PV is struggling to fully charge the batteries on an overcast day with Vbatt is sitting say around 56.5v. Its not unreasonable to expect at least some contribution from the Wind Turbine if the wind is blowing at 6m/s.

This is even worse if your system is set to charge at 59-60V Vabs or Vboost.

Ive seen instances of good winds blowing and good RPM at the blades (with the long tail mod) but only the occasional 1-2A from the turbine at 57V Vbatt.

Because I dont have actual figures to give here, those wishing to do so, can easily play down my expressions of dissatisfaction as mere winging. So I'm not going to say any more about this until I have actual wind speed and power output figures to post.

Suffice to say however, it is frustrating to be standing under the tower, watching the froth from the top of my beer blow away in the wind, knowing that there is pretty much nothing happening down at the battery room.


This topic of Turbine Power vs WindSpeed vs Vout is something that is rarely thought about, and is why most manufacturers dont specify the voltage at which the their power figures are measured. Its all down to the Voc vs Wind speed, and Power Out = VI is secondary, only being conidered once Voc is high enough to pass >0amps.


Hope that helps

Happy Trails.

Joe<BR><img src="http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5828/Long_Tail_2.JPG" width=80%><BR>

« Last Edit: March 16, 2008, 11:22:12 PM by spacejunk »

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2008, 08:06:06 PM »
Ive posted some photos but I cant see them, so I assume no one else can?

I read the comments on the http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/5/1/14336/56487

story with interest, especially the reports about burnt out PMG's and downrated power output.A couple of years ago, I dismissed the FE as un-suitable because its Survival Wind Speed rating was 40m/s, and it seemed not to have a Furling Mechanism at that time.

I then noticed FE had changed the design by fitting a furling system and rating the Survival Wind Speed - 50m/s.

So I bought one. I now think that perhaps the introduction of the furling mech' was more to do with preventing the turbine from producing too much power to prevent it from burning out. That would explain the lack of power output.

So.. I better fix my Long-Tail Mod so that it furls out properly, or I could be in for a Burnt out PMG.

Joe



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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2008, 08:08:08 PM »
Trying again with the photos











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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2008, 12:56:03 AM »
I forgot to mention. In the photos above, the turbine is pointing roughly west, showing the complete lack of obstruction from trees, buildings etc. Its winds from this direction only that I have considered. Today saw strong Westerly winds. With the long tail mod fitted, the charge current was up at 10-20A at around 58-60V (boost mode) before the Dump load cut in. The turbine sat nicely, pointing directly at the wind.

In contrast, Out of the box, the FE turbine, with its poorly designed short tail, would have been twirling around on its turnstile, not knowing which direction it should be pointing. (As per previous posts)

So you see there in no problem with my wind, just problem with my Wind Turbine.

I dunno what anyone else thinks, but I reckon if a Hawt cant cope with a site like mine, then its just a toy.


I included a shot of my Solar tracker frame also just for fun.

Happy Trails.

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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2008, 02:13:55 AM »
Yes indeed Futurenergy generator is not working properely as original as it is. Due to the high cogging - static torque =0.85 Nm and incapsulated design. But all this problems may be solved.


I opened the PMG and glued thin transformer sheet metal between the stator shoes. I used high temperature epoxy. The metal pieces must not tuch the stator metal. After this improvement the static cogging torque fell down to 0,35 Nm. Huge improvement.


After that I dismounted the support aluminium ring on the front pannel of generator and made a fan out od U profile aluminium and screw it on this support ring. On the back side pannel I drilled 4 holes at very inner radius and 4 holes at outer radius. So the fan  sucks the cool air from the inner-radius holes and blows it out at the outer holes.


After that modification I painted the stator with high temperature epoxy to protect it from corosion.


The result were:


The induced voltage raised by 5%

The coggin was reduced by 60 %

When I put the PMG on the lathe loading it to 900W the temperature raised to 70°C after 3 minutes and did not rose further.


The only thing that would be wise to improve is to change the magnets. All the magnets should be compossed of 3 smaller magnets due to histeresis losses. This can be observed if the PMG is spinned for a while - unloaded. The magnets and outer metal ring of the rotor become worm.

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2008, 06:58:47 AM »
Hmm.. thats very interesting Tinea.

I'm not sure of the need to reduce cogging tho', since the start-up speed is lower than the cut-in speed. Its probably a good idea to leave the cogging alone, that way the tiny little bearings that Futurenergy use in the PMA might last a little longer.

The Futurenergy PMA does not have any intrinsic cooling.

The Stator windings are enclosed and located on the inside diameter w magnets on the external rotor.

 No ventilation...its no suprise that FE dont want the turbine to stay pointed at the wind for too long. If you do as I did, modify the tail, so the turbine is stable and actually faces the wind properly, stator will overheat and burn out. As did mine.
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2009, 10:14:42 PM »
Malcolm,

Interesting that you removed my posts from your forum at energistar.

No surprise as the childish comments and outright lies by your contact at Futurenergy were somewhat embarrassing and no doubt bad for business.

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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2009, 10:32:06 PM »
Its time to put this post to rest with a summary..

I made a mod to the Tail of this "futurenergy" turbine that allowed it to face the wind properly. I set it to furl at less than 20A or about 1000W on my 48V system.

The result was somewhat disappointing, and fatal.

On the first day that saw steady high winds, the turbine was generating 900W -1000W constantly for a few hours. This burnt out the alternator.

My conclusion is that, as also suggested by others on this forum, the Futurenergy turbine is not capable of any more than about 600W continuous/average power.

If you have one of these, DON'T mess with it! There is very good reason that the designers don't want it to perform properly, that is to STOP it from producing too much power as it will overheat.

Also.. the bearings in the Alternator are very small. Upon inspection, the bearings were showing signs wear, even tho the turbine spent most of its time in the workshop.

Lastly, I have been told by Multi-Wing that the FE blades are not UV stable, no good for high UV environments such as Australia.  Multi-Wing do make a UV stabalized blade in the size used by Futurenergy, but FE dont bother to use them.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2009, 10:32:06 PM by spacejunk »