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windpolywog

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Can someone recommend a dc motor
« on: February 03, 2007, 05:17:37 AM »
I have a 12.5' set of blades, and would like to purchase a dc permanent magnet motor to power a 48 volt battery bank. Does anyone know what my most efficient motor would be?


Thanks for your help

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 05:16:27 AM »
I would recommend using a Tape Drive Motor

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_tapedrivemotors.html

The best ones for Wind power are rated at a high voltage like 90 volts

and a low RPM like 180 rpm
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 05:22:50 AM »
Oops ,  I believe that I put incorrect information

that should say . . .

Use a motor with a LOW voltage rating like 30 volts

and the RPM should be low too like 180 rpm


Someone please correct me if I'm wrong again !!

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2007, 06:05:08 AM »
I would recommend a "conveyor" motor they come on various HP sizes and voltages but a 180 volt DC 1800 RPM, 1HP would probably work for you.
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2007, 09:33:50 AM »
Nope, you were right the first time. High voltage low RPM. ;-)


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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2007, 11:47:08 AM »
Hey Woofer --- actually your recommendation was good for a 48v system. Going about double the system voltage with the tape drive motor should work well. For a 12v system, a 24-30v low-rpm motor would be about right. 90v for a 48 system is OK.

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2007, 11:53:39 AM »
Basically you want a low-voltage and low rpm motor. They are better for making power than high voltage, low rpm motors since they are wound with thicker wire because of the lower voltage, thus making more power.
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2007, 05:26:23 PM »
Well, with a 12.5 foot set of blades, choose a very low rpm and high horsepower motor. Those will turn slower then a 7ft or 8ft set for sure.
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2007, 09:46:19 AM »
Perhaps you should consider building your own.  You could find a known 12 volt design that works for the 12.5 foot blades.  You would use the same magnets and rotor and just wind the stator coils to the same size using wire having one half the diameter of the original design.  Why would this work?  Well, the turbine can only put out so some much power at each wind speed.  At 48 volts to get the same power into the battery pack you need 1/4 the current.  This means you would need sixteen times the resistance in your coils to control the current.  Also, to get the 48 volts you need 4 times the number of windings.  Well, it just happens that using a wire 1/2 the diameter accomplishes both of these requirements.  One half the diameter implies 1/4 the cross sectional area, which means 4 times the resistance per unit length.  It also means 1/4 the volume per unit length.  The total length of wire goes up by a factor of four giving the necessary number of turns.  The resistance has gone up by a factor of sixteen.  This will not be a perfect match as the diode voltage drops will change very little.  In others words the cut-in RPM will be reduced slightly.  It may be necessary to add some extra resistance to the battery to prevent stall.
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2007, 09:50:41 AM »
Hello guys.


I am totally new to the wind turbine world.  I have the same problem the man in this topic has, but have a couple of slightly different questions for you all.


Will a treadmill motor (130VDC) work for a wind turbine using 4-5' blades?  Or will a small 108VDC motor work better?


I am following this design:  http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/index.html


Any help is GREATLY appreciated.


Thank you,


Trey

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2007, 11:45:30 AM »
Can you give us more information on the two motors?


Current (amps), rpm, shaft size...

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2007, 01:12:48 PM »
Specs for motor #1:


HP 2 1/2 at 130 VDC int.



  1. 1/2 at 95 VDC cont.
  2. -130 VDC
  3. 5 Amps
  4. -6750 RPM


Rotation reversible Enclosure open

Duty int. w/o cooling fan (not incl)

Mount 4 hole base 4 1/4" x 2 3/4"

Shaft 17 mm w/threaded end 1/2"-13 UNC LH thread

Size 7 3/4" x 4" x 4" excluding face plate

Shpg. 10 lbs.


Specs for motor #2:


Redmond 108VDC motor

They are 3.75" long X 3.25" diam. with a 3/8" shaft

That is all the information there is on that one.

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 10:28:20 AM »
I was going to recommend an Ametek 99, but not with 12.5 foot blades.  That length of blade will get you lots of torque in low winds but not a lot of RPMs (which you'll need even with the 99 to get to 48V).  I know a guy that gets very good results with 4' Jerry's on the smaller Ameteks for 12 and 24V in decent winds.


Perhaps the question we need to ask here is what your wind conditions are like?  

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 10:33:34 AM »
I was going to recommend an Ametek 99, but not with 12.5 foot blades.  That length of blade will get you lots of torque in low winds but not a lot of RPMs (which you'll need even with the 99 to get to 48V).  I know a guy that gets very good results with 4' Jerry's on the smaller Ameteks for 12 and 24V in decent winds.


Perhaps the question we need to ask here is what your wind conditions are like?  

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2007, 06:02:43 PM »
I'm gonna go ahead with the Redmond model.
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2007, 08:49:51 PM »
Thank you for your time.


I live on the top of a mountain.  Average wind is 12 mph.

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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2007, 08:51:02 PM »
I would love to build my own. Unfortunately I don't have a shop at this time, it is under construction.  Do you know anyone who I can hire to build one for me?
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Re: Can someone recommend a dc motor
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2007, 10:23:49 PM »
Thank you for your response.  I like how simply you explained that.  It really is a simple concept when someone knows how to explain things to us newbies.  I think I might try that.  I'll let you know how it goes.
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