Like I said in your last posting - I put this back here, although you should've posted it in diaries. What pacwind is doing is interesting - at least, for a company that's making VAWTS they really do have a product. I do not for the life of me understand though how they can claim 10KW from a machine that seems to sweep about 80 square feet -in my mind it should be competetive with a 10' diameter HAWT - maybe 1 to 1.5 KW. I might have some misconceptions about the design though...