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Inverter identification
« on: August 17, 2005, 11:16:04 PM »
Hello,


is there somebody who can recognize this inverter? it is supposed to be an old 1200 watt inverter made by trace engineering.


http://i18.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/af/5a/7e_1_b.JPG


Any information about the model would be appreciated - Thanks in advance


/Steffen

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2005, 06:38:39 PM »


Yes, that would be an older Trace UX (Truck Power) series inverter.


It is hard to tell if it is a UX612, UX1112, or UX1412.  SB or

non-SB.  (SB = Standby = with built in charger)


By the looks of the older yellowish label, it looks fairly old.  Might

even be a prototype.  However, it looks like it has an RJ-11 jack on it

for a battery temp sensor, so it probably does have a charger built in.


I added the 3-stage charger to that line, but I cannot remember if

they all had the RJ-11 jack or not.  Later units had 2 (and 3) RJ-11

jacks for remote control/display and had a white label I seem to remember.


If it has a fan, then it is larger than a UX612 (600 Watt, 12 Volt)


Xantrex still makes the UX series inverters.


What does the Ebay text say ?


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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2005, 06:49:31 PM »
What I meant by I didn't know if they all had the RJ-11 jack, was that they may

have had the hole for the jack.  Now I remember though that we would cover up

the hole with the label.  (unless that is a prototype, which anything could

happen)


That is also a MSW inverter with fairly good surge power.  About 1800 Watts

or more.


The basic design is the same as the old U series Push-Pull inverters.

And, the small UX inverter without fan would be a UX512, not a UX612, as was

the old, black 612.  If you buy it and it doesn't have a fan, and you install

a 12 V fan, the power should be good for 950 to 1000 Watts or so, continuous

as I remember.


The UX series isn't too bad as far as MSW inverters go.


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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2005, 09:03:24 PM »
The text from the ebay is:


INDUSTRIAL INVERTER


TRACE ENGINEERING 1200W INVERTER

CONVERTS 12V - 240VOLTS

OUTPUT VOLTAGE - 240 V

OUTPUT POWER     - 1200 WATTS NO PEAK

INPUT VOLTAGE     - 11 - 15 VOLTS

UNIT MEASURE       - 14"  WIDE X 6" HIGH X 8 1/2" DEEP

WEIGHT                    - 12.5 KG

THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL INVERTER AND NORMALLY USED IN VANS OR CARAVANS


IT CAN CHANGE THE CAR'S 12 VOLT BATTERY INTO 240 VOLTS TO RUN THINGS LIKE DRILLS - TV'S - DVD'S - FRIDGES - MICROWAVES - CHARGERS OR ANYTHING THAT DRAWS LESS THAN 1200 WATTS - UNLIKE  CHEAPER INVERTERS WITH THIS OUTPUT TRACE ENGINEERING UNITS WILL RUN CONSIDERABLY LONGER ON MAXIMUM POWER WITHOUT OVERHEATING


iT ALSO HAS A FACILITY FOR AN RC8 REMOTE CONTROL


IT IS EASILY WIRED TO THE VEHICLE BY CONNECTING 2 WIRES DIRECTLY TO THE EXISTING BATTERY - THEN JUST PLUG IN YOUR APPLIANCE


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There's no model or anything else that I could use as identification, and I have had a hard time looking for information on the web. I did not succeed locating an exact description, but a lot of people are very happy with their trace inverters, so I took the chance, and bought it - it is on it's way from england ;-) - I just wanted to locate some information (manuals etc.)


I had a cheap chinese inverter, which i blew up within the first few hours after installation, so i wanted to replace it with something which i hoped would last a little longer ;-)


This is all the information I have on the inverter - hope to find some more.


Thank you for your time :-)


/Steffen

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2005, 09:18:21 PM »
I really hope that my new inverter is one of the UX series trace inverters - Here's a copy'n'paste from some specs i found on the net regarding the UX1112:


Efficiency frees more power. The UX will start loads that surge up to triple the continuous rating, and run a load of twice rated current for nearly a minute. It also makes the most of battery power with efficiencies of up to 92%. Under no-load conditions it consumes a miserly 1/2 watt.


I'm using a 400 watt inverter on my RE system at the moment, and it is consuming 6 watt when everything is unplugged from the inverter and it is idling - this could be the thing which saves me an extra panel during the winter :-)


/steffen

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2005, 06:26:23 AM »
Just a thought:  

I don't know anything about the specific TRACE nomenclature, but given the 240 volt output, I would want to know if it is at  50Hz, as this voltage arrangement  appears to be an export model.         Just a caution.       VAN    K3CZ
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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2005, 12:33:26 PM »
K3CZ mentioned export or import model.


Don't know where you are, but do you have a 240V drill or TV?


"CONVERTS 12V - 240VOLTS .....  IT CAN CHANGE THE CAR'S 12 VOLT BATTERY INTO 240 VOLTS TO RUN THINGS LIKE DRILLS - TV'S - DVD'S - FRIDGES - MICROWAVES -"


I hope either I am wrong or you are in Europe or such, but it sounds to me it could be a 240V 50Hertz forieng model. Here in the USA all those listed items are normally 120Vac not 240Vac and we have 60Hertz power not 50. Course we don't all live inthe US either I geuss.


Anyway I would look into that and be sure it's the correct Hertz before I tried to run anything important on it just in case. I Have found listings for inverters on ebay in the USA that were forien models and they don't say so sometimes. And if your waiting on it to come from England too...


Where are you and what you gonna run on it?

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2005, 01:42:03 PM »
I'm located in greenland, and we are using 220 volt/50 hertz. I was hopeing that the inverter might be able to run my coffee maker, which like most things (in europe that is) is rated for 220-240 volt.


/Steffen

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2005, 08:29:47 PM »


Good thing you need 50 Hz, because I'm suree that's what it is.

I remember now that there have been a few Trace 240V/50Hz inverters

on E-bay.


For anyone that gets one of these, you can change them to 240 VAC 60Hz

fairly easily by just changing the crystal on a frequency that is 6/5

of what it is for 50 Hz.  If you need to adjust the output

RMS voltage somewhat, you can do this with that trim pot that is at the top

of the PCB around the middle.


Can't do much about the nominal output voltage of 240 Volts though.

The peak output voltage will be around 300 V, as opposed to 150 Volts

for a 120 Volt MSW inverter running at a nominal 12 Volts DC.


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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2005, 05:34:33 AM »
Ya, it's a problem I sometimes have, since about 95% of the people I talk to are here in the USA or Canada, if not stated otherwise I geuss I assume this is where they are at. That should be right for your power then. I am trying to change my thinking on alot of stuff though, and heres a couple more thoughts too.


I have seen people here get burned with issues relating to power sometime, and have kinda burned myself too I geuss!!


Things to think about for some of us. We are out of the box (norm) and need to remember that with RE and batteries!!


If a 220 Inverter be sure it's the correct hertz for what you need. I have seen 50Hertz inverters being sold on Ebay by US sellers and they don't say it's the 50hertz model alot of the time. Some just play dumb, maybe some don't know the difference. "Surplus is us" or something like that was real bad about not listing the hertz of the inverters they were selling to US buyers.


If moving to a new country, the correct inverter still runs your existing stuff!

I mention this one because freinds I have now dumped all their forieng stuff dirt cheap when they moved back here. USA 120Vac 60hertz here, they sufferd major losses dumping all thier 220Vac 50hertz stuff. They could have brought it fairly cheap (Flew in on private aircraft, one of thier friends), they are now playing with RE stuff. Batteries don't care what inverter is connected, so all the stuff they sold cheap and gave away they could still be using just fine with the proper inverter! They spent thousands of dollars buying all new stuff here, that money could have paid a few hundred in shipping and bought an inverter with a ton left over to spend on batteries and RE! When parents got very sick they came back home. And for them the shipping would mostly been free anyway, other people maybe not.


I burned myself passing up extremely good deals on Forieng goods because of the power difference. That was stupid of me not thinking at the time, a cheapy 220V 50hertz inverter and I could have had tons of great stuff dirt cheap! Simple case of not thinking enough in time. Who cares about the hertz if you can get equipment like TVs, Frigs ect... 20% of their value simply because they are the wrong voltage and hertz if your on RE and batteries anyway?? Save $1000 buying the wrong stuff and spend $300 on the correct inverter to power it :)

That one I still kick myself about! The stuff was close by (pick up, no shipping), geuss factory blemished and seconds, almost perfect, no-one wanted it here because of the power problem. It sold for about 15% of it's value and was shipped overseas somewhere.


As long as we keep the stuff plugged into the correct inverters us RE people can use either or both, the grid is not a concern. We need to remember such things when we find good deals on the wrong stuff!!

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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2005, 06:20:00 PM »
boB:


The question is: Why the unit does not have both frequencies, 60 and 50 Hz setting


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Re: Inverter identification
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 11:56:03 PM »
HI Nando...

That inverter was either for europe (50 Hz countries) or 60 Hz countries so

they didn't need to make it selectable.  50 Hz at 120 VAC is pretty rare as is 60 Hz at 230 VAC, without a center tap.  That inverter wouldn't really be powerful enough

for single phase 240VAC 3 wire uses anyway.


The transformer is also optimized at 60 Hz.  By taking the transformer used

in a 50 Hz inverter and just raising the frequency, that is wasteful of

copper and iron, because the same size transformer can be made about 6/5

more powerful if it is known that it is going to work at 60 Hz all the time.

The output would be wired for 120 VAC usually too, instead of the 230VAC.

ie. It's mostly just market driven.


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